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taneq 5y ago
> The rest of us normal, sane people need to stop letting "good intentions" let the trojan horse of endless CoC, morality games, witch hunts and ideological warfare from continuing in the name of 'being non-offensive'. Amen. These days my instant response to this kind of posturing is to disengage as far as possible from all involved. It's an ideological cancer that turns previously productive communities into a morass of backbiting and one-up-person-ship.
mackal 5y ago
Last time I participated in a discussion about adding a CoC to a project it boiled down to people just not liking that it's called a Code of Conduct. They agreed that we needed a basic set of rules etc for moderation purposes but opposed having a CoC, but they were fine as long long as it wasn't called a CoC. I neglected to point that out to them.
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  I think that's a reasonable perspective. As demonstrated by the incident here, the specific term "Code of Conduct" tends to attract people who don't like to be tolerant of opposing views and don't think it's appropriate to assume good faith. If you want to maintain those standards, which have traditionally been seen as necessary in online communities, it's probably best to use alternative terms which don't have that baggage.
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golingo 5y ago
As an alternative, have you tried to not act like a jerk?
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
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sarlalian 5y ago
How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  No.
- mountainboy 5y ago
  leftist policies are offensive. what are we going to do about that?
- brighton36 5y ago
  Throughout history, men have bonded by expressing humor, angst, and emotions regarding sex. It may be an outrage by the moral fashion of today. But, you would have a hard time making the case that this behavior is unusual by incumbent standards of collaboration.
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
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  - i_cannot_hack 5y ago
    You viewpoint don't seem to be very convincing if snark is your best response to that question.
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      - scotty79 5y ago
        It's not just the leftists. Fox News also has to keep things fresh (or at least reheated for their viewers). It seems like a lot of people in USA got addicted to feeling outrage and it sells.
dang 5y ago
Would you please stop breaking the HN guidelines? You did more than anyone to turn this thread into a flamewar, and that's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. Replacing everything you posted with "." doesn't help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> The rest of us normal, sane people need to stop letting "good intentions" let the trojan horse of endless CoC, morality games, witch hunts and ideological warfare from continuing in the name of 'being non-offensive'. Amen. These days my instant response to this kind of posturing is to disengage as far as possible from all involved. It's an ideological cancer that turns previously productive communities into a morass of backbiting and one-up-person-ship.

mackal 5y ago

Last time I participated in a discussion about adding a CoC to a project it boiled down to people just not liking that it's called a Code of Conduct. They agreed that we needed a basic set of rules etc for moderation purposes but opposed having a CoC, but they were fine as long long as it wasn't called a CoC. I neglected to point that out to them.

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
I think that's a reasonable perspective. As demonstrated by the incident here, the specific term "Code of Conduct" tends to attract people who don't like to be tolerant of opposing views and don't think it's appropriate to assume good faith. If you want to maintain those standards, which have traditionally been seen as necessary in online communities, it's probably best to use alternative terms which don't have that baggage.
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golingo 5y ago

As an alternative, have you tried to not act like a jerk?

calvinmorrison 5y ago
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sarlalian 5y ago

How about not telling offensive jokes, not making offensive assumptions, or just not being offensive. Its a programming language mailing list, what exactly is it about a sexist joke that you think belongs there?

xanaxagoras 5y ago
No.
mountainboy 5y ago
leftist policies are offensive. what are we going to do about that?
brighton36 5y ago
Throughout history, men have bonded by expressing humor, angst, and emotions regarding sex. It may be an outrage by the moral fashion of today. But, you would have a hard time making the case that this behavior is unusual by incumbent standards of collaboration.
calvinmorrison 5y ago
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- i_cannot_hack 5y ago
  You viewpoint don't seem to be very convincing if snark is your best response to that question.
  - calvinmorrison 5y ago
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    - scotty79 5y ago
      It's not just the leftists. Fox News also has to keep things fresh (or at least reheated for their viewers). It seems like a lot of people in USA got addicted to feeling outrage and it sells.

dang 5y ago

Would you please stop breaking the HN guidelines? You did more than anyone to turn this thread into a flamewar, and that's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. Replacing everything you posted with "." doesn't help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html