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IMGZ – Paid image sharing
- jonny_eh 5y agoIs it $5/year (says on home), or $1/month (says on pricing page)?
- d4mi3n 5y agoFrom the pricing page (fine print): * All prices paid per year but shown per month because if I get another person telling me that "$5 A MoNth Is toO ExPeNSiVe FoR 1 GB" I'm going to lose it. Small print may be too small to read. Service comes with no guarantee, not even guarantee of service. Do not email us for support you do not get any. Paying us money doesn't entitle you to anything except owning less money. Disclaimer may make less sense as you read on, this is not the disclaimer's fault and is by design.
- blunte 5y agoWell, I might pay $5/yr for an image service that sometimes works, with a side of comedy. It's better than some of the free options...
- jrochkind1 5y agoI still don't understand. $1 month is $12/year? Where does $5/year come from?
- Chico75 5y agoIt was just updated: https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf8295af9a0a67de1290691d0e https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf829...
- topher200 5y agoThe pricing was updated today: https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf8295af9a0a67de1290691d0e https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf829...
- stavros 5y agoIt used to be $5/yr but everyone complained that $5/mo was too high, so I changed it to "$1/mo billed annually", which amazingly has solved the complaints without reducing subscriptions at all (they were already at zero).
- toomuchtodo 5y agoA Stavros product. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stavros https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stavros Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714
- jessaustin 5y agoThe switch from 'StavrosK really confused me and seemed fake at first...
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- stavros 5y agoOh yes, sorry! I legally changed my username, apparently you can do this and dang was very accommodating.
- jessaustin 5y agoIt's fine! I understand now, and it's nice this was possible.
- mattowen_uk 5y agoI changed mine a while back[1], (I was Jaruzel), although I don't think dang would be that happy if we all started asking. Stavros, now that I'm in your comment replies... can I hijack this comment branch to ask what payment provider you are using and what the integration process was like ? --- [1] I did it during a peak of self-loathing, I kinda regret it now, but ho-hum.
- stavros 5y agoI'm using Stripe, they're great! I love them.
- mattowen_uk 5y ago
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y agoVery neat. The thing that scares me about doing any type of personal project for image sharing/hosting (especially with a free tier/trial) is that very quickly it will become a magnet for some very awful stuff. What are your plans for dealing with that?
- stavros 5y agoCloudFlare has a thing where it automatically reports bad stuff to me and the authorities, and I turned it on, so hopefully all the abusers will be discouraged by that. Also I have their credit card info.
- Lammy 5y agoA "privacy" paragraph would be appreciated on the Terms page: https://imgz.org/help/terms/ https://imgz.org/help/terms/ Personally I would want to know if my uploads were going through some scanning engine from one of the tier-1 Internet gatekeepers who I would have to trust to not keep/forward a copy.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y agoDid not know about that Cloudflare service. Thanks for sharing. I learned something.
- vyrotek 5y agoI hope their architecture handles the HN front page load well. :) https://imgz.org/i9hxfgRu.png https://imgz.org/i9hxfgRu.png
- busymom0 5y agoFunniest pricing page. Make sure to read the disclaimer at the bottom: https://imgz.org/money/ https://imgz.org/money/
- tyingq 5y agoMay be more a TOS problem than a load problem, though maybe they are on the big paid plan at CF. server: cloudflare cf-cache-status: HIT
- stavros 5y agoI am definitely on something.
- GauntletWizard 5y agoI want to know what tool was used to create that image. It's fantastic and I have many uses for it.
- hardwaresofton 5y agoLooks like https://www.cloudcraft.co/ https://www.cloudcraft.co/
- stavros 5y agoYep, exactly!
- statico 5y agoI've been hoping for an Imgur replacement for simple, hosted image sharing. I'm happy to pay $1/mo, but when I tried to upload https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9ec8d13de2878c899fda0bd43e4509d8eda0e59c686ff0c20b7b120176adb9b1/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f4e79677a6945642e676966 https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9ec8d13de2878c899fda0bd43... I got this, which doesn't look like what I uploaded: https://cln.sh/4coS9T https://cln.sh/4coS9T / https://imgz.org/i5qphFzd.gif https://imgz.org/i5qphFzd.gif
- stavros 5y agoWell that's extremely odd, I will look into that right now. EDIT: This is very odd, I'm not really doing any processing on the uploaded files, so it should definitely return the originals. I will have this fixed soon though. EDIT2: Unfortunately, the saved image in the DB itself is corrupt, so you will need to reupload after I solve this. EDIT3: Alright this should be fixed! Now I can start submitting animated GIFs there. EDIT4: Ironically, now ONLY animated GIFs work, because 2am is when I do some of my best work. Stand by...
- silisili 5y agoSame for me. I tried uploading this test image - https://bhi61nm2cr3mkdgk1dtaov18-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/cc_resize/pig_thm-050b9-550x0.jpg https://bhi61nm2cr3mkdgk1dtaov18-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... (dont ask, lol) and the uploaded image was a negative of it.
- stavros 5y agoThat one worked for me: https://imgz.org/i4mdbiQL.jpg https://imgz.org/i4mdbiQL.jpg
- silisili 5y agoSorry I may have been dishonest there. I downloaded it from the google search results directly, perhaps this link- https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFsEM5a7caZcxlKhRP-CmUm_1gO4BjMJn4eA&usqp=CAU https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFsEM5... it resulted in https://imgz.org/i5Q2gzwB.png https://imgz.org/i5Q2gzwB.png
- CosmicShadow 5y agoStrike while the iron is hot I guess, but not sure why you you are being such an ass in your copy, it's kind of a turn off, even if it is super cheap. Maybe it's a trend where if something is super cheap people tend to write in that style, but it kind of erodes trust, unless this is supposed to be a joke site, but the fact that I don't know really hurts your chance to actually get users to want to give you their email or money. Nothing against being edgy or sweary or whatever, I like it normally, but not when you are trying to sell something on the Internet when you don't have some trust anchor that makes me ignore it like a big name brand.
- stavros 5y agoAh, see, you're assuming the site is not serious and I didn't actually make this because I needed it and it'll be a hassle if other people use it so they need to give me money to offset the hassle.
- edoceo 5y agoIt's not "free" money. They pay for the service. It's just regular money.
- busymom0 5y agoCall me crazy but the funny pricing page and copy is what convinces me to throw some money at this site.
- yelnatz 5y ago$34 500 GB You're just showing off More images The server doesn't have that much space don't get this LMAO
- s1artibartfast 5y agofrom the FAQ: >Does bandwidth cost extra? >No. I don't know. It's not a problem yet. If it becomes a problem, I'll make it your problem, but I think we're gonna be okay.
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- vmception 5y ago> Image Sharing. No Bullshit Sign up with email: Bullshit Free trial (for a paid service?): Bullshit That's a lot of bullshit for a no bullshit service
- romwell 5y agoIt's a statement, not a product. And it's a bullshit statement, FWIW
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- calltrak 5y agoi like to use https://picc.io https://picc.io image sharing
- bananamerica 5y agoSomebody suggested me cubeupload some time ago. Is there anything wrong with it?
- tyingq 5y agoIs it free? Free image hosting always eventually shuts down or monetizes with redirects to an html page with your image and bunch of ads. Bandwidth isn't cheap enough for free image hosting to survive.
- bananamerica 5y agoIt is free. It has ads and accept donations. No compression. Online since 2006.
- tyingq 5y agoRight. But they seem to be "on the edge" quite a lot. Like this: https://twitter.com/CubeUpload/status/1169580329683828736 https://twitter.com/CubeUpload/status/1169580329683828736 https://twitter.com/cubeupload/status/1169299066242682880 https://twitter.com/cubeupload/status/1169299066242682880 https://twitter.com/CubeUpload/status/1024951808484102144 https://twitter.com/CubeUpload/status/1024951808484102144
- fortran77 5y agoHe says there's a $5/year option, but if you go to pay, there isn't one. https://imgz.org/money/ https://imgz.org/money/
- stavros 5y agoUpdate: I don't say that any more.
- NelsonMinar 5y agoCall me back once they have a plan to deal with abusive content.
- Scaevolus 5y agoFor $1/mo/user, it's still profitable to spend 2 minutes reviewing an abuse complaint and banning a user. :-)
- NelsonMinar 5y agoI'm not sure that meets US legal standards for moderation of sexual images, particularly ones involving children. Of course the last thing the host of IMGZ wants is child porn. But it's going to happen anyway and preventing it is a major barrier to hosting images in this way.
- hnaccy 5y agoThis is ~17x more expensive than B2 served through Cloudflare.
- rexreed 5y agoOther people's servers, other people's liability.
- killingtime74 5y agoBusiness idea, under cut this guy by serving B2 via Cloudflare as a service
- NikolaNovak 5y agoI see a lot of comments about the $5 a year quote. I see $12 on front page - I wonder if it's just changed in last hour or am I getting a Canadian special :-)
- stavros 5y ago(It changed in the last hour https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf8295af9a0a67de1290691d0e https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf829...)
- solarkraft 5y agoUnfortunate. 5$ is a perfect no brainer price, but I pay 1€/mo for my e-mail hosting and definitely get more value out of that ... Flawless demand adjustment, though.
- toyg 5y agoOut of curiosity, what do you use for email? I'm currently on Office365 but it's way overkill...
- stavros 5y agoI use FastMail and it's around $2-$3/mo if you prepay. I love it, recommended.
- solarkraft 5y agoTutanota. They’re a cooler company than Proton but due to the lack of a bright I can’t unconditionally recommend the service - you’re confined to the (web) app.
- solarkraft 5y agoBridge. I meant bridge.
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- paxys 5y agoThose are some pretty terrible prices. You can share images (or anything else) publicly from Dropbox/Box/GDrive/OneDrive for a lot cheaper. Or just cut out the middleman and set up a S3 bucket for a few cents.
- detritus 5y agoThis is like $12 a year. I also have a dropbox account, which I hate. I also have various web storage accounts. For sharing silly daft images that have little connection to me, I use my imgz.org account all the time.
- paxys 5y ago$12/year for 2GB. Free plans: Dropbox 2GB, OneDrive 5GB, Box 10GB, GDrive 15GB. They all let you generate public read-only links which aren't connected back to your account.
- detritus 5y agoYou know what, I literally couldn't give a fuck. I have multiple hosted web storage, google storage, paid-for dropbox etc accounts, as well as reddit and imgur accounts - and the one I use to share stupid images is this one. This was posted here a couple of years back, I liked the pitch, i paid for it. I also enjoy avocado liberally smashed on shit.
- detritus 5y agoI'm on my second year subscription, even if the owner's a total cunt who actually responds to justifiable emails.
- mattl 5y agoOwner sounds a bit full of themselves for sure. Any horror stories?
- detritus 5y agoNope. It's a few bucks a year silly image hosting account. I mean, I'm a grumpy, cheap fucker, but even I would struggle to find fault. - ed in fact, to clarify - I have twice written to Stavros, and both times he's been upmost helpful. Proving what a liar he is and how he fails to live up to his marketing.
- stavros 5y ago<3
- Biganon 5y agoOwner has humor and talks to his customers like they're adults (adults with a sense of humor)
- AussieWog93 5y ago>Any horror stories? One time I made a joke on HN that feel flat, and he posted a sarcastic comment! He also bought an oscilloscope from me and made sure I marked the package correctly so it didn't get caught up in (corrupt) Greek customs, causing a tiny amount of extra work at my end! True sociopathic behaviour!
- stavros 5y agoHoly shit I LOVE the Labrador, it's the most useful thing I have. Guys, if you're into electronics at all, buy one right now (https://github.com/EspoTek/Labrador/ https://github.com/EspoTek/Labrador/), it's amazing and only $30. Also I'd say I'm sorry about the comment but that would imply I've changed but I'm still a sarcastic asshole. I'm working on it though.
- holler 5y ago> With this in mind, we found the perfect balance of the "early startup employee" compensation package: 50% stock, 50% equity, 0% salary[0]. I'm IN! Congrats :D 0: https://imgz.org/blog/ https://imgz.org/blog/
- stavros 5y agoFantastic! I will send you the contracts to sign. I didn't relaunch though, I just wrote a comment about it and someone posted it and now I have to fix my EXIF stripping breaking animated GIFs at 2 am :( Ah well, no better time than the present.
- aduitsis 5y agoHah, Greek time zone eh?
- stavros 5y agoYes :( There are worse timezones, there's this school in England whose timezone is like 12 minutes away from the rest of the country.
- aarchi 5y agoWhat timezone is that? I don’t see it in the tz database. My favorite may be Lord Howe Island in Australia (Australia/Lord_Howe), which uses +10:30 in the winter and +11:00 in the summer.
- stavros 5y agoHm, I thought I read about that here[1] but I can't find it now, so my brain may have made it up. Nepal is 45 minutes off, though, apparently! [1]: https://www.zainrizvi.io/blog/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time-zones/ https://www.zainrizvi.io/blog/falsehoods-programmers-believe...
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- nikolay 5y agoUnfortunately, Stavros has some issues keeping his services up. I was a user of his https://historio.us https://historio.us long-time ago, a paying one, and he just killed the service and lost all my data. Some time later, he restarted the service and gave my username to somebody else. Don't put anything meaningful and valuable into his services! Hello, I'm afraid I couldn't find your backup file :/ It looks like your account may have been one of the older ones to be reclaimed, when we hadn't added the backup functionality yet. I'm sorry about that :/ Thanks, Stavros
- stavros 5y agoThat's a bit of a liberal retelling. You had a free account, the system sends you one (or two, I forget) emails if your free account is inactive, and if you don't log in for a few months it deletes the data to make room for others. There was a period where I didn't keep backups of the data on free accounts, but people complained, so I added that. I think it's a bit unfair to expect me to keep account data around forever for free, even after notifications that the account is inactive and will be deleted. Also, wasn't this more than half a decade ago? EDIT: Also, your account isn't even deleted, only the pages are, so your username should still be there, no? EDIT2: Also also, paid users don't get deleted, so something must have happened there. Maybe your payment method failed when renewing, or you didn't have a paid account? What's the username? EDIT3: I found the thread: You: Why did all my bookmarks disappear from my account? Me: We only delete the links of unpaid accounts, as they take up too much space. We do have a backup export of your links I can send you, though. You: Can you please? I will upgrade to a paid account if you restore my links. Me: Sure, but it will have to be tomorrow, as I'm not at the computer right now. And then what you posted above. So it wasn't a paid account, this was seven years ago, your username wasn't given to someone else, and I didn't kill the service or lose your data.
- kragen 5y agoIt seems like there's a dispute of fact, whether this person was paying you or not: you say "You had a free account," and they say they were a paying customer. I don't think "half a decade ago" is a reasonable time horizon after which to consider accusations of outright fraud irrelevant. If this person is telling the truth, then not only did you defraud them a few years ago, but you're lying about it now; this seems like an important thing for potential users of your new service to know about you. (Presumably your character has not changed much in the last five years, whether it was good or bad before.) If you're telling the truth, they're lying, presumably in order to hurt you.
- mahgnous 5y agoStep 1 asking for my email is bullshit though...
- kragen 5y agoI gave up and just put a file-upload CGI program (I'd say "script" but it's in C) on my own web page.
- toby- 5y agoI was so confused by the absence of a login form, below "Already have an account? No you don't. Try to log in below if you think you do anyway." Turns out uBlock was hiding the form; possibly one of my 'social' blocklists. Just in case anybody else runs into that problem!
- stavros 5y agoActually I have the exact same problem. I should fix that... EDIT: Fixed, thanks!
- toby- 5y agoOh wow, quick response & fix haha. Thank you! You might've just convinced me to pay for the service. Looks good.
- jrochkind1 5y agoHonestly I feel like you're being very dishonest about your commitment to providing no support, you've provided all kinds of support already.
- stavros 5y agoAh but I didn't commit to providing no support, I didn't commit to provide support. Support is provided at-will!
- slimebot 5y agoNo BS is fine, but there are different variations on that :) Stochastic Technologies 5th Floor, Genesis Building, Genesis Close George Town, Grand Cayman Cayman Islands, KY1-1106
- MangoCoffee 5y agois your service profitable? what tier of service does average user go for?
- stavros 5y agoI made it for my use, so yes! Anything over $0 would be profitable. Two out of three users use the "cheapass" plan. The other guy has the "person" plan.
- smitop 5y agoI used to be a subscriber (until my subscription lapsed, but I would have renewed if there was a reminder email!), I went for the cheapest plan. (also if you pay with bitcoin you get a fun message after subscribing)
- CR007 5y agoSpoiler alert: Image hosting is a little bit more complicated. Good luck with it.
- stavros 5y agoThanks, I'm hoping that having credit card numbers will keep most of the miscreants away, though I know that stolen card numbers exist.
- solarkraft 5y ago> You are a guest here. You can use IMGZ, and it'll always be great, because I'm great > It's simple, what do you want No bullshit, you say? I like tongue in cheek stuff, jokes and all, but that tone sounds more like “fuck you” than a solid, reliable business relationship with adequate respect where the customer is not the product. Besides that: Props for so quickly capitalizing on the (probably still brewing) imgur controversy!
- stavros 5y ago> I like tongue in cheek stuff, jokes and all, but that tone sounds more like “fuck you” than a solid, reliable business relationship with adequate respect where the customer is not the product. I kind of talk about that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28677501 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28677501 Basically, it's a bit funny that people complain that it sounds more like a "fuck you" when that's the entire point, and the site is completely explicit about it. We don't trust services to not want our money, even when they're telling us they don't. We just think it's a ploy. > Besides that: Props for so quickly capitalizing on the (probably still brewing) imgur controversy! Thanks! I made the site and bam!, two years later, Imgur imploded and I made $12!
- p1mrx 5y agoCould you actually "sell" a company, where the price is "$1M/year for the rest of my life"? If imgz becomes the next FAANG, then that'd be quite cheap.
- stavros 5y agoOnly one way to find out!
- dd444fgdfg 5y agoStavros. You need to detach a little bit, get a 10,000m view. You've got something, you can be successful. But your approach is "out of whack" and people aren't going to support you. Conform to influence.
- TeMPOraL 5y agoConform to influence. OBEY. I was going to upload a nice screencap from a 1988 movie They Live to IMGZ and link it here, but it turns out my trial expired so no link for you.
- stavros 5y agoWell guess what just UNEXPIRED
- TeMPOraL 5y agoWhy thank you. I thought I actually had a paid account, but it turns out I misremembered. Got to fix that. EDIT now the site disagrees and tells me I already paid. That's one growth hack. The joke has expired so still no meme image for the parent poster. I appreciate the explanation, though.
- dd444fgdfg 5y agoObey propaganda :D actually, conform to influence doesn't mean that. It means, to influence a group you need to be part of the group. To be part of the group, you need to first conform to the group.
- kibblesalad 5y agoI can do this myself for much cheaper by buying a used computer from eBay, waiting 3 weeks for it to ship with missing parts, trading my old bike for more RAM from Craiglist, setting up Arch on it, compiling my own drivers, writing a webserver and firewall from scratch, connecting it to the internet and then using it twice before my ISP cuts my service for breaking TOS by running hosting on a consumer plan. I could have even just gotten a DigitalOcean VPS for $5 a month and conned friends into paying my costs for me in return for creating them a username and password to a half-working FTP server where they can upload their images in sixteen easy steps.
- normalocity 5y agoI got so much joy out of the FAQ I nearly paid just as a thank you for putting a smile on my face.
- stavros 5y ago> I got so much joy out of the FAQ I nearly paid just as a thank you for putting a smile on my face. > I got so much joy out of the FAQ I nearly paid > I nearly paid > nearly paid > nearly
- akavel 5y agoSorry, service provider satisfaction not guaranteed! Also, the customer may have had a great journey with the website.
- marethyu 5y ago> ashamed of what Imgur has become? Can anyone explain what's the problem with Imgur?
- stavros 5y agoBasically the issue I had with it is that they seem to make the site less and less usable as an image host. They used to have (or at least allow) a way to upload images from the command line, but mine stopped working at some point, I couldn't find the page with all my images, they started putting comments on stuff I posted, things like that. It had turned into a social network when I just wanted a place to send a screenshot to a friend, which I was very dissatisfied about.
- sli 5y agoI sure do love it when a pricing tier openly dehumanizes me.
- RScholar 5y agoMan, if Gimlet Media hadn't gotten flushed down the Spotify crapper, this thread would've made for the most sublime episode of Reply All.
- yesenadam 5y agoI thought the comments to this were well above average on the entertaining scale. Pretty embarrassing, though, that probably the majority of comments seemed to take it seriously, even reprimanding the creator for not being serious enough, not taking his Business seriously enough. It seems to create dissonance among many that such a thing even exists. People seem deeply confused it's not full speed ahead, like every other commercial site, trying to grab money from users. We on HN constantly complain that the internet was taken over by smooth, malevolent, lying mega-corporations, with 1GB ToS's and thousands of employees..and here's something completely different and people entitledly shit on it. It's a joke, people! From HN's own Stavros. Or, who knows what it is. Something Stavros did for fun and uses himself. A thing. Can't things just be allowed to be what they are? It's like people can't tolerate the existence of unique things, and have to see them as just really bad versions of a known category of things. "This round thing is bad because I can't force it into this square hole." And I guess when someone posts something to HN it gets judged as if submitted by the author and designed, badly, for the person now reading it. Ugly font! Bad colours! Unprofessional tone! Bad marketing! etc. ..Wasn't the internet 100% like that in the good old days?
- stavros 5y agoThis is how I feel too, it was surprising (and educational) to see some commenters having trouble accepting that someone might have just made a thing for fun. I think it's the fact that you can buy it that trips them up. I imagine Cards Against Humanity got a lot of the same comments.
- saimiam 5y agoImgz's pricing page made me wonder - if someone stops paying their dues for their imgz account, is it legal to auction off their photos 'as-is'? I feel this would be similar to all those "storage wars" type shows where people buy a storage unit on auction after a preliminary look-see. @stavros - if legal, put this in your ToS. "Clear your dues or else..."
- antihero 5y agoIf you don't mind using AWS you can just set up an S3 bucket and a point a CloudFront distro to it (takes <5mins) and then just do upload() { aws s3 cp ${@:2} $1 s3://$BUCKET_NAME echo https://$CLOUDFRONT_DOMAIN/$1 | pbcopy }
- stavros 5y agoI do mind.
- the-dude 5y agoThe Dude minds!
- thih9 5y agoHonestly, so many things could go wrong here. I’m a programmer and I’d have to google how to “do” the above. If anything, this makes me want to sign up for IMGZ. Maybe the above comment should be on IMGZ landing page.
- soulchild37 5y agoDropbox flashbacks anyone, "Why would anyone use dropbox when I can just rsync over"
- stavros 5y agoDone!
- matkoniecz 5y agoI am not fine with AWS as there is no way to avoid suprise 30 000 $ payments caused by some bug.
- lupire 5y agoThat sounds more annoying than paying $12/yr.
- hurflmurfl 5y agoCan you tell us how many people have tried logging in as you?
- stavros 5y agoFive so far!
- zcw100 5y agoI think I've seen the "where do I put my image files?" in the database or not for about two decades now with no definitive answer. I can't believe someone hasn't come out with a custom database specifically for storing images.
- stavros 5y agoActually, that'd be great, especially if it could resize/add logos/etc and cache variants.
- xmaayy 5y agoJust commenting because I want to save this post
- stavros 5y agoThere's a "save" button, damn.
- TwinProduction 5y agoThe pricing page is perfect
- climb_stealth 5y agoExcuse me stavros, this is brilliant. I have no real intention of using the service but I got a subscription because this really cracked me up. I love every little bit of it. Great work! Or maybe I will use it as I have an account now. We shall see.
- stavros 5y agoYou should definitely use it for excellence.