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>Tesla has a safety record that’s not unimpressive compared to the 36k people who die every year even though their failures have been more public and newsworthy

by jowday 5y ago

>Tesla has a safety record that’s not unimpressive compared to the 36k people who die every year even though their failures have been more public and newsworthy. Their stats have been relatively objective. They haven't released a detailed deep dive on their statistics, other than some definitions of what counts as a crash. This is from the company headed by the "funding secured" guy. Elon is clearly willing to lie if he believes that it will serve his interests or mission. Even if we accept their safety stats at face value, Tesla is getting ready to launch a new feature - "Full Self Driving" - which behaves substantially different from autopilot and has a much different operating design domain and intended functionality. They've had close to 2k internal testers and O(100) external testers of "Full Self Driving" for about a year - nowhere near enough time and data to get the same level of confidence they have for autopilot. Add on to this that it will operate in environments that are substantially more accident prone than highway driving or clearly marked single lane roads, and you can see why regulators might be worried by a larger rollout.

harry8 5y ago
>This is from the company headed by the "funding secured" guy. Even worse he's the guy willing to falsely accuse someone of being a child rapist because that person pointed out he had simply tried a publicity stunt that failed, badly, and his tech solution to a cave rescue with a huge media focus was actually worse than useless. In other words when correctly and honestly called out for sprouting bullshit Musk goes fully delusional in the nastiest way possible. It's pretty worrying behaviour. He may well go on to do amazing work, i don't know either way on that and I don't have to have an opinion on it either. Surely nobody sane would never trust his word on anything for any purpose ever again after that display. I'd expect from a five year old.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  > In other words when correctly and honestly called out for sprouting bullshit Musk goes fully delusional in the nastiest way possible. It's called narcissistic injury, a behavior associated with narcissistic personality disorder.
  - moffkalast 5y ago
    Or perhaps.. aspergers? Which Elon does have. Yall are placing way too much emphasis on an outburst of an autist with a medical disorder.
    - jowday 5y ago
      There’s a pattern of deception on his part that is way more regular and extends beyond that insult that can’t be attributed to Asperger’s - I didn’t event mention the pedophile insult in my parent comment.
- optimiz3 5y ago
  > Surely nobody sane would never trust his word on anything for any purpose ever again after that display. TSLA is one of the most widely held retail stocks. Why do you think this is? Might you be assigning too much weight to this?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Person A: Chinese communist party is repressive, brutal to dissidents, and hides it's failings You: Chinese economy is doing well, therefore your accusations are false
    - optimiz3 5y ago
      This reply is non-sensical and unrelated. A widely held stock means that many people fundamentally believe in a company and its leadership, and are voting with their wallets. #2 most widely held on Robinhood, #1 most traded on Fidelity this last Friday. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/articles/the-top-50-robinhood-stocks-in-2021-2021-01-03%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/articles/the-top... https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/gotoBL/fidelityTopOrders.jhtml https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/gotoBL/fidelityTopO...
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Your argument in non-sensical - how are retail investors are good judge of character or safety when they can't even judge financial performance? 80% to 95% of retails traders/investors lose money in the stock market. When Elon tweeted 'use Signal' (the app) they bought shares of 'Signal Advance' and it soared 400%, a totally wrong organisation. Then there is GME and many other stories. Obviously they are free to do what they want with their money, but are these the people you would trust with, well, anything? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/signal-advance-jumps-another-438percent-after-elon-musk-fueled-buying-frenzy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/signal-advance-jumps-another...
        optimiz3 5y ago
- concordDance 5y ago
  > Even worse he's the guy willing to falsely accuse someone of being a child rapist because that person pointed out he had simply tried a publicity stunt that failed, badly, and his tech solution to a cave rescue with a huge media focus was actually worse than useless. The impression I get is that was just a silly attempt at tit for tat. E.g. guy says "You're doing X for Y bad reasons!" while not having any evidence that you're doing things for Y reasons, so you shoot back with something in the same vein. Y being either "getting publicity" and "being a pedo" respectively. Yeah, they're not really the same severity of accusation/insult (particularly as Musk has a bigger megaphone), but raising the stakes is common if someone starts a fight with you. Also note: "Richard Stanton, leader of the international rescue diving team, urged Musk to continue construction of the mini-submarine as a back-up, in case flooding worsened."
  - lupire 5y ago
    > silly attempt at tit for tat. Is not who I want designing my self driving car. What if he decides to prank me by messing with the sensors in my car, like that Reddit admin who secretly edited a user's post?
  - IshKebab 5y ago
    "So what if I burnt him alive for calling my hairstyle stupid? It was just tit for tat!"

by jowday 5y ago

harry8 5y ago

>This is from the company headed by the "funding secured" guy. Even worse he's the guy willing to falsely accuse someone of being a child rapist because that person pointed out he had simply tried a publicity stunt that failed, badly, and his tech solution to a cave rescue with a huge media focus was actually worse than useless. In other words when correctly and honestly called out for sprouting bullshit Musk goes fully delusional in the nastiest way possible. It's pretty worrying behaviour. He may well go on to do amazing work, i don't know either way on that and I don't have to have an opinion on it either. Surely nobody sane would never trust his word on anything for any purpose ever again after that display. I'd expect from a five year old.

ModernMech 5y ago
> In other words when correctly and honestly called out for sprouting bullshit Musk goes fully delusional in the nastiest way possible. It's called narcissistic injury, a behavior associated with narcissistic personality disorder.
- moffkalast 5y ago
  Or perhaps.. aspergers? Which Elon does have. Yall are placing way too much emphasis on an outburst of an autist with a medical disorder.
  - jowday 5y ago
    There’s a pattern of deception on his part that is way more regular and extends beyond that insult that can’t be attributed to Asperger’s - I didn’t event mention the pedophile insult in my parent comment.
optimiz3 5y ago
> Surely nobody sane would never trust his word on anything for any purpose ever again after that display. TSLA is one of the most widely held retail stocks. Why do you think this is? Might you be assigning too much weight to this?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Person A: Chinese communist party is repressive, brutal to dissidents, and hides it's failings You: Chinese economy is doing well, therefore your accusations are false
  - optimiz3 5y ago
    This reply is non-sensical and unrelated. A widely held stock means that many people fundamentally believe in a company and its leadership, and are voting with their wallets. #2 most widely held on Robinhood, #1 most traded on Fidelity this last Friday. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/articles/the-top-50-robinhood-stocks-in-2021-2021-01-03%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/articles/the-top... https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/gotoBL/fidelityTopOrders.jhtml https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/gotoBL/fidelityTopO...
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      Your argument in non-sensical - how are retail investors are good judge of character or safety when they can't even judge financial performance? 80% to 95% of retails traders/investors lose money in the stock market. When Elon tweeted 'use Signal' (the app) they bought shares of 'Signal Advance' and it soared 400%, a totally wrong organisation. Then there is GME and many other stories. Obviously they are free to do what they want with their money, but are these the people you would trust with, well, anything? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/signal-advance-jumps-another-438percent-after-elon-musk-fueled-buying-frenzy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/signal-advance-jumps-another...
      - optimiz3 5y ago
concordDance 5y ago
> Even worse he's the guy willing to falsely accuse someone of being a child rapist because that person pointed out he had simply tried a publicity stunt that failed, badly, and his tech solution to a cave rescue with a huge media focus was actually worse than useless. The impression I get is that was just a silly attempt at tit for tat. E.g. guy says "You're doing X for Y bad reasons!" while not having any evidence that you're doing things for Y reasons, so you shoot back with something in the same vein. Y being either "getting publicity" and "being a pedo" respectively. Yeah, they're not really the same severity of accusation/insult (particularly as Musk has a bigger megaphone), but raising the stakes is common if someone starts a fight with you. Also note: "Richard Stanton, leader of the international rescue diving team, urged Musk to continue construction of the mini-submarine as a back-up, in case flooding worsened."
- lupire 5y ago
  > silly attempt at tit for tat. Is not who I want designing my self driving car. What if he decides to prank me by messing with the sensors in my car, like that Reddit admin who secretly edited a user's post?
- IshKebab 5y ago
  "So what if I burnt him alive for calling my hairstyle stupid? It was just tit for tat!"