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So what was the trigger that started the riots?

by abcd_f 15y ago

eru 15y ago
I heard some bloke was shot by the police.
ColinWright 15y ago
Originally there was a peaceful protest over the shooting of a young man during a police operation. that seems to have been hijacked by mobs intent purely on violence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248 The initial areas are fairly poor and have a history of tension with the police, but the disturbances tonight seem simply to be youths intent on causing damage and looting. I'm not in London, these are my impressions to give you a quick answer. They may not hold up to future scrutiny. Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935
- pbhjpbhj 15y ago
  The mobs bent purely on violence were probably this guys friends based on the reported gang links of the guy that was shot.
ollysb 15y ago
This is what triggered it off, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-london-arrest http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-... and here's a little background context http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-london-riots http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-...
pbhjpbhj 15y ago
It appears a known criminal (gangs, drug-dealing) with a loaded handgun was shot by police while resisting arrest; he may or may not have shot a police officer [first] at the time of his arrest ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-dead-man-a-crucial-question-should-police-have-shot-mark-duggan-2334133.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-dead-man-a-cruc... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687403/London-riots-Dead-man-Mark-Duggan-was-a-known-gangster-who-lived-by-the-gun.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687403... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile-tottenham-shooting http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile...
- polshaw 15y ago
  relevant to note that subsequent rioting has had little to do with this. (more general) anger towards the police, along with opportunistic looting.
  - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
    >(more general) anger towards the police So if it's not gangs trying to violent show their power then what is the motivation in your opinion? Why sudden anger towards the police _from the general populus_? FWIW the buzz appears to be "send in the troops" rather than this being in any way justified demonstration (like maybe G8 demonstrations).
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yread 15y ago
I really liked this commentary http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenha... although you might disagree with him, at least it states quite clearly a reason why are people rioting.

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

by abcd_f 15y ago

So what was the trigger that started the riots?

eru 15y ago

I heard some bloke was shot by the police.

ColinWright 15y ago

Originally there was a peaceful protest over the shooting of a young man during a police operation. that seems to have been hijacked by mobs intent purely on violence. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248 The initial areas are fairly poor and have a history of tension with the police, but the disturbances tonight seem simply to be youths intent on causing damage and looting. I'm not in London, these are my impressions to give you a quick answer. They may not hold up to future scrutiny. Also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935

pbhjpbhj 15y ago
The mobs bent purely on violence were probably this guys friends based on the reported gang links of the guy that was shot.

ollysb 15y ago

This is what triggered it off, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-london-arrest http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-... and here's a little background context http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-london-riots http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/context-...

pbhjpbhj 15y ago

It appears a known criminal (gangs, drug-dealing) with a loaded handgun was shot by police while resisting arrest; he may or may not have shot a police officer [first] at the time of his arrest ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-dead-man-a-crucial-question-should-police-have-shot-mark-duggan-2334133.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-dead-man-a-cruc... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687403/London-riots-Dead-man-Mark-Duggan-was-a-known-gangster-who-lived-by-the-gun.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687403... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile-tottenham-shooting http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile...

polshaw 15y ago
relevant to note that subsequent rioting has had little to do with this. (more general) anger towards the police, along with opportunistic looting.
- pbhjpbhj 15y ago
  >(more general) anger towards the police So if it's not gangs trying to violent show their power then what is the motivation in your opinion? Why sudden anger towards the police _from the general populus_? FWIW the buzz appears to be "send in the troops" rather than this being in any way justified demonstration (like maybe G8 demonstrations).
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yread 15y ago

I really liked this commentary http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riots-not-unexpected http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenha... although you might disagree with him, at least it states quite clearly a reason why are people rioting.