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That was always my dad's pitch to me. Don't give those fuckers one thin dime. I casually smoked cigarettes in college, but never seriously and every time I boug
by dbt00 5y ago
That was always my dad's pitch to me. Don't give those fuckers one thin dime. I casually smoked cigarettes in college, but never seriously and every time I bought a pack I looked at the logo on the back and reminded myself that I hated those fuckers and I wasn't going to keep doing it. I quit before my first kid was born.
My grandfather had lung cancer twice. He quit smoking after the first time. His wife couldn't. She spent 10 years in long, slow COPD decline after he passed.
Don't fucking do it. And don't buy fucking nicotine vapes, either. Fuck those assholes.
- jay_kyburz 5y agoI've seen a few posts around saying vapes are about to be banned here in Australia. Have no idea if its true or not.
- Rooki 5y agoStill available with a prescription: https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/vapers-told-to-head-to-the-doctor-ahead-of-new-import-rules-20210813-p58iet.html https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/vapers-told...
- pvarangot 5y agoGet a dry herb vaporizer and vape loose leaf tobacco. Takes a while to find the combination of temperature and herb that doesn't taste like shit, and it's also not the same as a real cigarette but it does the thing. You also inhale less matter than with an ecig, so I think it may end up being healthier... but I'm like, the only person I know that does this daily so science may never know.
- lambdaba 5y agoTotally with you, my intuition is loose leaf pure tobacco is much less harmful and for a while when I still smoked I couldn't stand regular cigarettes, also preferred rolling my own, both for the gesture and the taste.
- Sophistifunk 5y agoNicotine vapes have been banned for about a year here, the stupid fucks in government just love to funnel cash to big tobacco. Nicotine is as harmful as caffeine, no more, no less. Nobody's going around campaigning against Big Espresso.
- makerofthings 5y agoThat nicotine is fine because it’s no worse than caffeine is a lie I see pedalled unquestioningly by pro-vape folk on the internet all the time. Linking the harmfulness of cigarettes to coffee is an old tactic of tobacco companies and they still use it for vaping. It’s not true.
- Sophistifunk 5y agoI never said anything about cigarettes, I was talking about nicotine. Cigarettes give you cancer. Nicotine does not.
- neartheplain 5y agoWhat are the negative health effects of nicotine versus, for example, caffeine? I've always wondered how much "healthier" vaping really is compared to cigars and cigarettes, but I wouldn't know how to make an evidence-based argument. Googled it a few times with mixed results.
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- wincy 5y agoIt’s not super helpful for aiding concentration. I tried it for a few months this year in my 30s, thinking it’d help with my ADHD. Never been a smoker. It didn’t help. Also any time I had it on me I’d find myself absentmindedly puffing on it. If you really are into nootropics just be real and get an Adderall prescription.
- retrac 5y agoPure nicotine seems to be harmless except in overdose, the main side effect being a compulsive need to consume more nicotine. Whether the delivery mechanism in vaping, year after year, is harmless, is a different question. Anecdotally, I used a nicotine vape to quit smoking -- and they're wonderful for that -- but when I quit that as well, my chest went through a phase where it cleared out all manner of gunk not unlike when I quit smoking cigarettes.
- the_only_law 5y ago> Pure nicotine seems to be harmless except in overdose I think there’s also some sort of negative cardiovascular symptoms, but I would be unsurprised if caffeine had its own.
- type0 5y agoCardiovascular effects of nicotine are probably more dangerous than potential carcinogenic nature of smoking. edit: smoking is carcinogenic, but how much of it is because of nicotine I wouldn't know; a smoker might not live long enough to find out at what age the cancer develops if he drops dead because of the heart infarct.
- refurb 5y agoYou realize the NHS in the UK recommends using e-cigs as harm reduction? https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes-to-stop-smoking https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/quit-smoking/using-e-cigarettes...
- nlitened 5y agoGuess which fuckers paid for that
- refurb 5y agoHuh? It's called following the science.
- nlitened 5y agoYes, but one should understand how science is usually done. Some scientists are getting grants from private funds, some don’t, and most scientists rely heavily on getting grant money to live and to continue their research. In medical science, nutrition, psychology, economics, sociology, it’s very easy to conduct a research that would be favorable to major fund donors. Refer to how “science” covered smoking for decades, how eating fat was thought to be harmful for decades, how major economists missed every single crisis, and how many economist-led mutual funds went bust. And also who sponsored each research. Of course, it’s not how it works in “real” sciences like physics, because criteria on research results are very strict there. But you should by default be very skeptical about any groundbreaking results in social sciences.
- refurb 5y agoThis isn’t social science? It’s a “vaping has far fewer toxic chemicals compared to cigarette smoke” type science.
- nlitened 5y agoI’d argue that “far fewer” is not that much of a science. How much less of each exactly? How does the smaller amount affect cancer and other diseases? (linearly? sublinearly? no long-term effect from this reduction in dose? Higher cancer risk because of the vapor?) How smokers’ habits change with vaping? Do they vape more often than they had smoked? Is vaping more social, hence more people get “sucked in”? Do children start vaping earlier? Long term, is starting vaping better than trying to stop smoking? So many facets, so much beyond “we found this number smaller, therefore we recommend smokers to vape now”
- noduerme 5y agoMy dad always said that too. I've gotten around that one by accumulating a lot of Altria stock in my IRA over the years. Now I am those fuckers. Really, I view their massive dividend as sort of a health plan. At least I'm getting something back.
- krageon 5y agoYou're making money off of the death of your fellow man and you're trying to tell us that it's okay. It's not okay, you're helping them.
- noduerme 5y agoPff. Please. I smoke a pack a day. I'm getting cash back on my own medical bill. If you invest in Altria, then yeah, you'd be profiting off my death.