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The argument that Microsoft is somehow to blame for wanting you to either give them your phone number or buy a $10 security key before giving you access to thei
by md_ 5y ago
The argument that Microsoft is somehow to blame for wanting you to either give them your phone number or buy a $10 security key before giving you access to their free online email and services is...weird?
Like, it's pretty normal for such services to demand phone numbers. Like Signal does.
If you don't like it, you can use something else? I fail to see what the big deal is here.
- propertymagnate 5y agoMicrosoft owns the computer industry. "Use something else" is quite a weak argument in markets dominated by oligopolies and especially in this one. At the very most, the argument would be "use the other one". Passwords are broken, now give us your face for facial recognition. Facial recognition is broken, now etc etc
- md_ 5y agoThis is a strange argument, to me. I don't have any devices made by Microsoft, and have not for years. And I'm lazy and disinclined towards "linux on the desktop" neckbeardism. ;)
- propertymagnate 5y agoCongratulations. Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Exchange, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Excel, etc etc.
- Godel_unicode 5y agoMacOS/Chrome os, iCloud/Gmail, Google docs, zoom/whatever Hangouts is called today/discord, Google sheets. It's not even that hard to avoid Microsoft.
- logosmonkey 5y agoIt's difficult in corporations, but not at home.
- UncleMeat 5y agoI don't think I've used a single microsoft product in like six or seven years. Docs has replaced Word and Excel. I own a Mac and prior to that I owned a linux machine. I use Zoom and FaceTime for video calls. I don't even use github.
- Aerroon 5y ago>Like, it's pretty normal for such services to demand phone numbers. Like Signal does. >If you don't like it, you can use something else? We can also demand that they keep using passwords. Signal, for example, is a complete non-starter for me because of that phone number requirement. As long as they have that requirement I will never use their service. Also, that $10 security key is just a step away from being your national ID card. That's how bank logins work here. No passwords allowed.
- md_ 5y ago> Also, that $10 security key is just a step away from being your national ID card. That's how bank logins work here. No passwords allowed. Er, wouldn't that be a good thing? Identities cannot be linked to the same physical FIDO key across multiple relying parties, so what's the concern?
- krageon 5y ago> Identities cannot be linked Yes, they can. Quite obviously they can and all it takes is even a modicum of cooperation. We have already extensively seen corporations love to cooperate when it comes to compromising information that belongs to you.
- md_ 5y agoCompliant FIDO2 keys guarantee unlinkability even against colluding relying parties. See https://fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-v2.0-rd-20180702/fido-security-ref-v2.0-rd-20180702.html https://fidoalliance.org/specs/fido-v2.0-rd-20180702/fido-se..., specifically "security goal 4", and the unique authentication keys requirement.
- krageon 5y agoAgainst any two, not any number.
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- raxxorrax 5y agoYou are compromising security here.
- krageon 5y ago> you can use something else This is quite simply not true, Microsoft is a monopolist. > $10 security key You're implying this is somehow little, even though spending $10 to comply with another weird demand from yet another US corp that feels I have to spend or compromise myself to conform to their demands is too much. Any amount of money is too much, and any amount of compromise is too.
- nisegami 5y ago>any amount of compromise is too I would argue you _are_ compromising. You're accepting the drawbacks of passwords in exchange for not having to use any of the alternatives.
- krageon 5y agoAnything that is free choice is fine. Something Microsoft mandates because they believe they should dictate how the world works is not.
- md_ 5y agoHow is this not free choice? Are you saying Microsoft shouldn't be able to impose mandates to use their online service? Genuinely curious.
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