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I think you're the one missing the larger picture. One of the main selling points of mass vaccination is herd immunity to protect those that are unvaccinated -

I think you're the one missing the larger picture. One of the main selling points of mass vaccination is herd immunity to protect those that are unvaccinated - including babies and cancer patients.

sjburt 5y ago
When (or if) herd immunity is reached (measured by rate of community spread), they can drop the need for vaccine passports. The passports are just there in the meantime while infection rates are high.
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
When a third of the population is refusing to get the vaccine because they "self-educated" on Youtube and there's no mandate at all for kids to get it, then you can't ever have herd immunity.
- mikem170 5y ago
  Yes you can. Most of those refusing the vaccine will eventually catch this and have natural immunity.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    No you can't. Not without vaccinating kids.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      Kids can't acquire natural immunity? I haven't read that
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  - azinman2 5y ago
    We’re seeing that people can get reinfected, so it’s unlikely natural immunity will protect you from Covid any more than the flu or a cold. I personally know of someone who got it last year, then got vaccinated, and then got it again and almost was hospitalized. This is a tricky one.
    - tzs 5y ago
      > We’re seeing that people can get reinfected, so it’s unlikely natural immunity will protect you from Covid any more than the flu or a cold. If COVID immunity ends up working like cold immunity that would be fine. About 20% of colds are caused by coronaviruses that caused deadly pandemics when they first appeared in humans. As with COVID these tended to cause much more serious illness in non-immune adults than in non-immune children. Now we all get them as non-immune children, and although that does not confer upon us immunity from reinfection it does confer protection against serious illness.
    - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
      I've had it twice, which is why I KNOW that the "natural immunity" argument from people who are too cowardly to spend 10 minutes in a drug store is nonsense.
      - mikem170 5y ago
        There's tons on science talking about the immune system response from a covid infection. From what I've seen the protection conferred from the immune system response to the virus is at least as good as vaccine immunity and perhaps better, given that it is a more broad based immune system response not targeting just the spike protein like the vaccines. I don't understand your comment. We were talking about herd immunity at the moment, and that natural immunity and not just vaccine immunity counts towards that. Why did you bring up cowardly? Is that in reference to the woman who had to be hospitalized for anaphylactic shock after her first vaccination?
    - mikem170 5y ago
      Perhaps immunity wasn't the right word. Protection may have been a better term. People's second cases aren't as bad as their first, in general, because their body's immune system is better able to respond after a first infection. Covid-19 will not going away. It can be expected to be transmitted like other endemic coronaviruses, and not be a big deal for most people. Children in the future will catch it, like they do other common cold coronaviruses, and they will grow into protected adults.
  - pupppet 5y ago
    To be more clear, those who don't die first.
sapientiae3 5y ago
It was a good selling point, only now it seems that vaccinations don’t prevent the spread as much as previously thought, especially the variants such as Delta variant. So it seem there won’t be any herd immunity anytime soon. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/picture-shifting-vaccines-transmission-re-shaping-learn-live/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...
nradov 5y ago
Unfortunately the Delta variant is sufficiently contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect to protect the unvaccinated. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Eventually almost everyone will be exposed. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

I think you're the one missing the larger picture. One of the main selling points of mass vaccination is herd immunity to protect those that are unvaccinated - including babies and cancer patients.

sjburt 5y ago

When (or if) herd immunity is reached (measured by rate of community spread), they can drop the need for vaccine passports. The passports are just there in the meantime while infection rates are high.

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

When a third of the population is refusing to get the vaccine because they "self-educated" on Youtube and there's no mandate at all for kids to get it, then you can't ever have herd immunity.

mikem170 5y ago
Yes you can. Most of those refusing the vaccine will eventually catch this and have natural immunity.
- MisterBastahrd 5y ago
  No you can't. Not without vaccinating kids.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Kids can't acquire natural immunity? I haven't read that
    - deleted 5y ago
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- azinman2 5y ago
  We’re seeing that people can get reinfected, so it’s unlikely natural immunity will protect you from Covid any more than the flu or a cold. I personally know of someone who got it last year, then got vaccinated, and then got it again and almost was hospitalized. This is a tricky one.
  - tzs 5y ago
    > We’re seeing that people can get reinfected, so it’s unlikely natural immunity will protect you from Covid any more than the flu or a cold. If COVID immunity ends up working like cold immunity that would be fine. About 20% of colds are caused by coronaviruses that caused deadly pandemics when they first appeared in humans. As with COVID these tended to cause much more serious illness in non-immune adults than in non-immune children. Now we all get them as non-immune children, and although that does not confer upon us immunity from reinfection it does confer protection against serious illness.
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    I've had it twice, which is why I KNOW that the "natural immunity" argument from people who are too cowardly to spend 10 minutes in a drug store is nonsense.
    - mikem170 5y ago
      There's tons on science talking about the immune system response from a covid infection. From what I've seen the protection conferred from the immune system response to the virus is at least as good as vaccine immunity and perhaps better, given that it is a more broad based immune system response not targeting just the spike protein like the vaccines. I don't understand your comment. We were talking about herd immunity at the moment, and that natural immunity and not just vaccine immunity counts towards that. Why did you bring up cowardly? Is that in reference to the woman who had to be hospitalized for anaphylactic shock after her first vaccination?
  - mikem170 5y ago
    Perhaps immunity wasn't the right word. Protection may have been a better term. People's second cases aren't as bad as their first, in general, because their body's immune system is better able to respond after a first infection. Covid-19 will not going away. It can be expected to be transmitted like other endemic coronaviruses, and not be a big deal for most people. Children in the future will catch it, like they do other common cold coronaviruses, and they will grow into protected adults.
- pupppet 5y ago
  To be more clear, those who don't die first.

sapientiae3 5y ago

It was a good selling point, only now it seems that vaccinations don’t prevent the spread as much as previously thought, especially the variants such as Delta variant. So it seem there won’t be any herd immunity anytime soon. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/picture-shifting-vaccines-transmission-re-shaping-learn-live/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

nradov 5y ago

Unfortunately the Delta variant is sufficiently contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect to protect the unvaccinated. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but vaccinated people can still spread the virus. Eventually almost everyone will be exposed. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...