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That's great news! It seems strange to me that more countries don't offer citizenship programmes like this.

brian_herman 5y ago
I can only hope that other countries follow suit in europe. I wish the american government would take action but our immigration system is so broken it would just be a drop in the bucket.
- vinay427 5y ago
  > our immigration system is so broken There are plenty of those in Europe as well, in case you've missed the barrage of news about migrant crises, xenophobic naturalization policies, etc. Certainly, there are also countries like France that don't treat citizenship like some reward at the end of a pointlessly contrived maze, and these countries (IMO) deserve credit for that.
icare_1er 5y ago
Making it easier for foreign doctors, nurses, etc, to become French, American, English, etc, cannot go together with "helping the southern hemisphere". The West is often accused of "pillaging" the rest of the planet. Whether it is true or false, what is sure is that this cannot go together with key workers and vital forces, being sucked into western hospitals.
- nradov 5y ago
  It's difficult for doctors from the southern hemisphere to work in America. US licensing authorities don't consider most foreign medical training as sufficient so at a minimum they usually have to repeat residency.
  - hellbannedguy 5y ago
    And for good reasons.
    - rscho 5y ago
      Are you sure about that? The reason is certainly not the quality of incoming personnel, as even german docs have to repeat residency. And TBH, I'm quite convinced that the average german doc is better than the average US doc. The real reason is about having complete control over the health worker supply.
      - twofornone 5y ago
        What exactly is the benefit to importing personnel who will work for lower wages and draining talent from other nations when we have 300MM+ local people from which we could train medical workers? I fundamentally don't understand why people feel that they are entitled to a job in the US, that we somehow owe people from other nations a chance to immigrate, when we have entire swaths here in the country that have been effectively left behind by the economy (inner cities and rural america, especially Appalachia). Maybe we should focus more on training our existing citizens out of poverty and into skilled labor, rather than brain-draining the rest of the world.
      - wreath 5y ago
        What convinces you of that, im curious.
        rscho 5y ago
        I'm an MD and have worked on both sides of the pond. That said, I clearly have a negative bias against the US system stemming from (bad) personal experience. What I can say objectively is that US docs are educated to be hyperspecialists. They do their thing, and their thing only and often have very narrow general medical knowledge. Europeans usually are more well-rounded, but that tends to backfire in smaller countries where there aren't enough cases to become truly expert.
        5y ago
- imtringued 5y ago
  The trade deficit nations send their citizens to trade surplus nations. The US is a unique country because its citizens don't have to go abroad, they can get their dollars straight from the central bank.

I can only hope that other countries follow suit in europe. I wish the american government would take action but our immigration system is so broken it would just be a drop in the bucket.

vinay427 5y ago
> our immigration system is so broken There are plenty of those in Europe as well, in case you've missed the barrage of news about migrant crises, xenophobic naturalization policies, etc. Certainly, there are also countries like France that don't treat citizenship like some reward at the end of a pointlessly contrived maze, and these countries (IMO) deserve credit for that.

icare_1er 5y ago

Making it easier for foreign doctors, nurses, etc, to become French, American, English, etc, cannot go together with "helping the southern hemisphere". The West is often accused of "pillaging" the rest of the planet. Whether it is true or false, what is sure is that this cannot go together with key workers and vital forces, being sucked into western hospitals.

nradov 5y ago
It's difficult for doctors from the southern hemisphere to work in America. US licensing authorities don't consider most foreign medical training as sufficient so at a minimum they usually have to repeat residency.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  And for good reasons.
  - rscho 5y ago
    Are you sure about that? The reason is certainly not the quality of incoming personnel, as even german docs have to repeat residency. And TBH, I'm quite convinced that the average german doc is better than the average US doc. The real reason is about having complete control over the health worker supply.
    - twofornone 5y ago
      What exactly is the benefit to importing personnel who will work for lower wages and draining talent from other nations when we have 300MM+ local people from which we could train medical workers? I fundamentally don't understand why people feel that they are entitled to a job in the US, that we somehow owe people from other nations a chance to immigrate, when we have entire swaths here in the country that have been effectively left behind by the economy (inner cities and rural america, especially Appalachia). Maybe we should focus more on training our existing citizens out of poverty and into skilled labor, rather than brain-draining the rest of the world.
    - wreath 5y ago
      What convinces you of that, im curious.
      - rscho 5y ago
        I'm an MD and have worked on both sides of the pond. That said, I clearly have a negative bias against the US system stemming from (bad) personal experience. What I can say objectively is that US docs are educated to be hyperspecialists. They do their thing, and their thing only and often have very narrow general medical knowledge. Europeans usually are more well-rounded, but that tends to backfire in smaller countries where there aren't enough cases to become truly expert.
        5y ago
imtringued 5y ago
The trade deficit nations send their citizens to trade surplus nations. The US is a unique country because its citizens don't have to go abroad, they can get their dollars straight from the central bank.