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> We don't have a COVID problem, we have a health problem. Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a h

> We don't have a COVID problem, we have a health problem. Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The rhetoric has been sit down and get the jab. I'm disabled and it's not my fault. I'm a healthy weight, I have a vegetarian diet high in vegetables, I do my rehab exercises every day and see the doctor frequently. And yet my condition is progressing, because that's the nature of it. My comorbidities aren't a moral failing.

coryfklein 5y ago
Would you advocate for government mandates on everyone else for your sole benefit? Or do you feel that you're a representative sample of the high-risk group?
- thenanyu 5y ago
  There are many government mandates for the benefit of disabled people. We generally think this is ok.
  - furgooswft13 5y ago
    Which of those mandates require other people to lose their jobs for not getting a chemical injection?
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      You can get weekly tests.
      - CryptoPunk 5y ago
        Having to undergo the inconvenience of weekly tests, to be allowed to do a large fractions of jobs, which makes you undesirable to employers as well to do the cost of testing, is discrimination.
        AndrewDucker 5y ago
        Yes, it's discriminating against people who are putting the lives of those around them at risk. I'm fine with that.
        CryptoPunk 5y ago
        COVID vaccines don't stop transmission enough to provide herd immunuty, so don't reduce the risk posed to others. In fact not getting vaccinated makes it more likely one will acquire natural immunity from an infection, and people with natural immunity are less likely to transmit the virus, so it may actually be more protective for others if a higher percentage of the population doesn't get vaccinated and acquires natural immunity.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        If not enough people get vaccinated, transmission won’t be stopped. If the virus has a fertile easily infectable unvaccinated population to continuously mutate in, herd immunity is unlikely to be achieved.
        unanswered 5y ago
        > If not enough people get vaccinated, transmission won’t be stopped. The comment above yours literally just explained that the vaccine does not stop transmission of the virus! You're repeating catchphrases from 12 months ago when the government was insisting the vaccine stopped the spread of the virus; when they knew perfectly well that wasn't true!
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        Do you think in binary about everything? The vaccine doesn’t stop transmission, it reduces it. If there is a .1% of mutation happening per transmitted case, then a vaccine that prevents 70% of transmissions is still invaluable, and those who aren’t getting vaccinated are playing haphazardly with everyone else’s health. The less the times dice are rolled, the harder it is for the virus to continue being viable.
  - nanis 5y ago
    Yes there are ... You have established that a greater than zero consideration for the people with disabilities exists and that is great. The question is whether there is a what is the greatest cost you are willing to impose on everyone to provide a small benefit to some specific people. And, no, you don't get to claim children will do just fine going without face to face contact with other children their age for years for some nonquantifiable benefit that might or might not accrue to a person at risk.
- sterlind 5y ago
  I actually don't think I'm a representative sample. my comorbidities are unusual and I'm probably not at significantly higher risk for covid complications. I was just taking issue with the parent's implication that most health problems can be solved with diet and exercise. a lot of us struggle hard to stay healthy but our bodies betray us.
  - tacitusarc 5y ago
    Undoubtedly it cannot be in your case, but exceptions are not so useful when talking about mediocristan populations
- mbfg 5y ago
  i certainly would. If me getting a vaccine helps this person, a bigger win.
nomoreplease 5y ago
I’m sorry and you’re right, it’s not your fault. But that doesn’t disregard what the person you were replying to was saying. The government has not encouraged taking vitamins or exercise. In Colorado they banned people from going hiking in national forests, state parks, etc. Which is ironic given that’s a great way to socially distance
_nicelaris_ 5y ago
If given the choice, would you have chosen to intentionally throw millions of healthy people out of work plunge our already doomed economy into a rapidly-increasing spiral of chaos, lock them in their homes (isolating them and skyrocketing cases of suicide and severe depression/anxiety), and force them to wear masks (that have very little discernable impact on transmission of the virus, but increase other physiological and psychological problems) for over a year just to protect yourself? I suspect you answer is probably no, because you're probably a fairly sane and decent human being. If that's the case, why should we support the government in doing those same abominable things?

coryfklein 5y ago

Would you advocate for government mandates on everyone else for your sole benefit? Or do you feel that you're a representative sample of the high-risk group?

thenanyu 5y ago
There are many government mandates for the benefit of disabled people. We generally think this is ok.
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  Which of those mandates require other people to lose their jobs for not getting a chemical injection?
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    You can get weekly tests.
    - CryptoPunk 5y ago
      Having to undergo the inconvenience of weekly tests, to be allowed to do a large fractions of jobs, which makes you undesirable to employers as well to do the cost of testing, is discrimination.
      - AndrewDucker 5y ago
        Yes, it's discriminating against people who are putting the lives of those around them at risk. I'm fine with that.
        CryptoPunk 5y ago
        COVID vaccines don't stop transmission enough to provide herd immunuty, so don't reduce the risk posed to others. In fact not getting vaccinated makes it more likely one will acquire natural immunity from an infection, and people with natural immunity are less likely to transmit the virus, so it may actually be more protective for others if a higher percentage of the population doesn't get vaccinated and acquires natural immunity.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        If not enough people get vaccinated, transmission won’t be stopped. If the virus has a fertile easily infectable unvaccinated population to continuously mutate in, herd immunity is unlikely to be achieved.
        unanswered 5y ago
        > If not enough people get vaccinated, transmission won’t be stopped. The comment above yours literally just explained that the vaccine does not stop transmission of the virus! You're repeating catchphrases from 12 months ago when the government was insisting the vaccine stopped the spread of the virus; when they knew perfectly well that wasn't true!
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        Do you think in binary about everything? The vaccine doesn’t stop transmission, it reduces it. If there is a .1% of mutation happening per transmitted case, then a vaccine that prevents 70% of transmissions is still invaluable, and those who aren’t getting vaccinated are playing haphazardly with everyone else’s health. The less the times dice are rolled, the harder it is for the virus to continue being viable.
- nanis 5y ago
  Yes there are ... You have established that a greater than zero consideration for the people with disabilities exists and that is great. The question is whether there is a what is the greatest cost you are willing to impose on everyone to provide a small benefit to some specific people. And, no, you don't get to claim children will do just fine going without face to face contact with other children their age for years for some nonquantifiable benefit that might or might not accrue to a person at risk.
sterlind 5y ago
I actually don't think I'm a representative sample. my comorbidities are unusual and I'm probably not at significantly higher risk for covid complications. I was just taking issue with the parent's implication that most health problems can be solved with diet and exercise. a lot of us struggle hard to stay healthy but our bodies betray us.
- tacitusarc 5y ago
  Undoubtedly it cannot be in your case, but exceptions are not so useful when talking about mediocristan populations
mbfg 5y ago
i certainly would. If me getting a vaccine helps this person, a bigger win.

nomoreplease 5y ago

I’m sorry and you’re right, it’s not your fault. But that doesn’t disregard what the person you were replying to was saying. The government has not encouraged taking vitamins or exercise. In Colorado they banned people from going hiking in national forests, state parks, etc. Which is ironic given that’s a great way to socially distance

_nicelaris_ 5y ago

If given the choice, would you have chosen to intentionally throw millions of healthy people out of work plunge our already doomed economy into a rapidly-increasing spiral of chaos, lock them in their homes (isolating them and skyrocketing cases of suicide and severe depression/anxiety), and force them to wear masks (that have very little discernable impact on transmission of the virus, but increase other physiological and psychological problems) for over a year just to protect yourself? I suspect you answer is probably no, because you're probably a fairly sane and decent human being. If that's the case, why should we support the government in doing those same abominable things?