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TFA curiously asks questions about what the body really needs, in order to investigate a processed food category from an industry that spends billions on advert

TFA curiously asks questions about what the body really needs, in order to investigate a processed food category from an industry that spends billions on advertising and technology designed to make people eat more than they need for only one reason - to generate profits for manufacturers. What the body really needs is not processed foods, which are loaded with salt, sugar, and fat [0, 1]. Processed foods are what the world's largest food corporations need you to buy in order to generate profits that feed their businesses. What the body needs is fresh foods - fruits, vegetables, grains, pulses, nuts and meat. [0] https://www.penguin.com.au/books/salt-sugar-fat-9781448133871 https://www.penguin.com.au/books/salt-sugar-fat-978144813387... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATmXufOvIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATmXufOvIk

Rompect 5y ago
No. I've been eating beef meat, chicken and a suet that is 99.8% fat for more than a month now and it's great. Nobody needs vegetables or nuts.
- mft_ 5y ago
  Can I ask what you’re optimising for with that diet? e.g. energy, or weight loss, or cardiac health, or longevity?
  - BoHerfIIIJrEsq 5y ago
    Not joking -- I think it may be all of those. See e.g. the work of Ivor Cummins, books like "Eat Rich, Live Long".
- Pyramus 5y ago
  I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not. In any case, while human bodies are amazing in the way they can strive on different diets, we know that the traditional Intuit diet (~50% fat, 30% protein, 20% carbs) leads to significantly increased cardiovascular risk: "However, actual evidence has shown that Inuit have a similar prevalence of coronary artery disease as non-Inuit populations and they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, with twice the risk to that of the North American population.[27][28] Indeed, the cardiovascular risk of this diet is so severe that the addition of a more standard American diet has reduced the incidence of mortality in the Inuit population.[29]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine#Nutrition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine#Nutrition
- slothtrop 5y ago
  "Needs" is ambiguous. You can survive on garbage. Optimal health is probably the metric focused on here. Meat-only is an elimination diet that, if followed properly, avoids refined products (or allergens) that yield adverse effects. That doesn't mean that including vegetables doesn't yield better results. The long, thorough body of research suggests it does.
- bobobob420 5y ago
  I really hope no one on this board follows this and starts eating only meat. Fruit and vegetables are extremely healthy for your body. Tons of fiber, nutrients, and keeps your immune system strong. This will be a decisive comment but if you think no one needs vegetables and should be eating only meat you have reached maximum levels of retardation and I recommend you not to poison the brains of other people. Sometimes it’s best to keep things to yourself
- mypastself 5y ago
  Do you think your self-reported experience of “greatness” of a particular diet over one month is sufficient evidence to make such a conclusion?
tovej 5y ago
There's one unmentioned aspect of this that's especially sinister. Salt, sugar, and fat are addictive.
- open-source-ux 5y ago
  Sugar remains a villain, but the issue of fat is more complex. Not all fats are equal. For example, high-fat foods like nuts, butter, avocados, cold-pressed olive oil etc do not occupy the same space as highly processed fats (e.g. trans fat/hydrogenated fat). Salt remains divisive among health researchers after many years of public campaigns warning the public to limit salt intake. But is it less harfmul than previously thought? The Guardian: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study (2018): https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-...
  - tudorw 5y ago
    https://youtu.be/nOub_6Ph5S0 https://youtu.be/nOub_6Ph5S0
    - tudorw 5y ago
      [Intro] How not to die By the weapon Formerly known as food [Verse 1] Sugar, sugar, who you talkin' to? Dirty water who be lovin' you? Stroke, no joke, musta hit that salt Don't look at me, 'cause it ain't my fault I know you want it, say you need it And you eat it, 'cause you want it Sugar, sugar, you don't love me Sugar, sugar, you don't need me Now, it be eating me (Eat, eat it up) Got us fightin' diabetes Stress level, sleepless, emotional, mental Drugs in the food I love screwin' up my physical I'll never fall in love again With this hate on my plate and Food and drug administration Is my my hallucination? [Verse 2] Sugar, sugar, I know you move me I know you wanna drink me You in everything, not just candy Worse than a pow pow, shoot 'em up, kill 'em up movie A riot goin' on in that corner About a word on a bird in that corner Toxic, yeah, they just box it Hard to tell the paranoid "Avoid it like a opioid" How sweet it is They just line up these kids How happy is a meal when dancin' with cancer? With that God bless America FDA romancing A new old kinda ganster get down Pesticide chemical get around Fast food industrial sit down EPA's a gang, throw it up now
rtpg 5y ago
What is the magical problem with processed foods? It’s not like the body can tell if something was smooshed by a machine or by my mouth. I kinda believe it but it’s real “chemicals!!” sort of generality. I can imagine a granola bar being less bad than like… my grandma’s paté
- bingohbangoh 5y ago
  One wonders where the line is drawn with processed foods as well. Take sausages. These have been around for ages but are, technically, processed. Are these now bad? They seem to pass the lindy test.
  - chii 5y ago
    > where the line is high salt and/or sugar content foods, whether processed or not, is probably not great for you. It's just that "processed foods" usually have extra flavourings added (such as salt) to enhance it, for sale purposes. So instead of targeting processed foods, the targeting for healthy eating should be portion size and amount, followed by freshness.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      Canned or frozen can contain more nutrients because of the preservation process though. Fresh foods lose nutrients as they are shipped around. The vitamins may have leached into the water, but toss that water into a soup and you're good. I don't think freshness matters much at all. Flour certainly doesn't need to be fresh to make good bread.
      - bobobob420 5y ago
        Fresh pasta vs store bought? Worlds of difference. When I lived in Europe the quality of produce and dairy blew me away compared to what we were eating in America. Tons of flavor in fresh natural produce.
        5y ago

Rompect 5y ago

No. I've been eating beef meat, chicken and a suet that is 99.8% fat for more than a month now and it's great. Nobody needs vegetables or nuts.

mft_ 5y ago
Can I ask what you’re optimising for with that diet? e.g. energy, or weight loss, or cardiac health, or longevity?
- BoHerfIIIJrEsq 5y ago
  Not joking -- I think it may be all of those. See e.g. the work of Ivor Cummins, books like "Eat Rich, Live Long".
Pyramus 5y ago
I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not. In any case, while human bodies are amazing in the way they can strive on different diets, we know that the traditional Intuit diet (~50% fat, 30% protein, 20% carbs) leads to significantly increased cardiovascular risk: "However, actual evidence has shown that Inuit have a similar prevalence of coronary artery disease as non-Inuit populations and they have excessive mortality due to cerebrovascular strokes, with twice the risk to that of the North American population.[27][28] Indeed, the cardiovascular risk of this diet is so severe that the addition of a more standard American diet has reduced the incidence of mortality in the Inuit population.[29]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine#Nutrition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine#Nutrition
slothtrop 5y ago
"Needs" is ambiguous. You can survive on garbage. Optimal health is probably the metric focused on here. Meat-only is an elimination diet that, if followed properly, avoids refined products (or allergens) that yield adverse effects. That doesn't mean that including vegetables doesn't yield better results. The long, thorough body of research suggests it does.
bobobob420 5y ago
I really hope no one on this board follows this and starts eating only meat. Fruit and vegetables are extremely healthy for your body. Tons of fiber, nutrients, and keeps your immune system strong. This will be a decisive comment but if you think no one needs vegetables and should be eating only meat you have reached maximum levels of retardation and I recommend you not to poison the brains of other people. Sometimes it’s best to keep things to yourself
mypastself 5y ago
Do you think your self-reported experience of “greatness” of a particular diet over one month is sufficient evidence to make such a conclusion?

tovej 5y ago

There's one unmentioned aspect of this that's especially sinister. Salt, sugar, and fat are addictive.

open-source-ux 5y ago
Sugar remains a villain, but the issue of fat is more complex. Not all fats are equal. For example, high-fat foods like nuts, butter, avocados, cold-pressed olive oil etc do not occupy the same space as highly processed fats (e.g. trans fat/hydrogenated fat). Salt remains divisive among health researchers after many years of public campaigns warning the public to limit salt intake. But is it less harfmul than previously thought? The Guardian: Salt not as damaging to health as previously thought, says study (2018): https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-damaging-to-health-as-previously-thought-says-study https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/aug/09/salt-not-as-...
- tudorw 5y ago
  https://youtu.be/nOub_6Ph5S0 https://youtu.be/nOub_6Ph5S0
  - tudorw 5y ago
    [Intro] How not to die By the weapon Formerly known as food [Verse 1] Sugar, sugar, who you talkin' to? Dirty water who be lovin' you? Stroke, no joke, musta hit that salt Don't look at me, 'cause it ain't my fault I know you want it, say you need it And you eat it, 'cause you want it Sugar, sugar, you don't love me Sugar, sugar, you don't need me Now, it be eating me (Eat, eat it up) Got us fightin' diabetes Stress level, sleepless, emotional, mental Drugs in the food I love screwin' up my physical I'll never fall in love again With this hate on my plate and Food and drug administration Is my my hallucination? [Verse 2] Sugar, sugar, I know you move me I know you wanna drink me You in everything, not just candy Worse than a pow pow, shoot 'em up, kill 'em up movie A riot goin' on in that corner About a word on a bird in that corner Toxic, yeah, they just box it Hard to tell the paranoid "Avoid it like a opioid" How sweet it is They just line up these kids How happy is a meal when dancin' with cancer? With that God bless America FDA romancing A new old kinda ganster get down Pesticide chemical get around Fast food industrial sit down EPA's a gang, throw it up now

rtpg 5y ago

What is the magical problem with processed foods? It’s not like the body can tell if something was smooshed by a machine or by my mouth. I kinda believe it but it’s real “chemicals!!” sort of generality. I can imagine a granola bar being less bad than like… my grandma’s paté

bingohbangoh 5y ago
One wonders where the line is drawn with processed foods as well. Take sausages. These have been around for ages but are, technically, processed. Are these now bad? They seem to pass the lindy test.
- chii 5y ago
  > where the line is high salt and/or sugar content foods, whether processed or not, is probably not great for you. It's just that "processed foods" usually have extra flavourings added (such as salt) to enhance it, for sale purposes. So instead of targeting processed foods, the targeting for healthy eating should be portion size and amount, followed by freshness.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    Canned or frozen can contain more nutrients because of the preservation process though. Fresh foods lose nutrients as they are shipped around. The vitamins may have leached into the water, but toss that water into a soup and you're good. I don't think freshness matters much at all. Flour certainly doesn't need to be fresh to make good bread.
    - bobobob420 5y ago
      Fresh pasta vs store bought? Worlds of difference. When I lived in Europe the quality of produce and dairy blew me away compared to what we were eating in America. Tons of flavor in fresh natural produce.
      - 5y ago