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Regarding questions in the comments: Assuming allotments in .dk works roughly as in .se, they are designed not to be actual homes. You're not allowed to use th

Regarding questions in the comments: Assuming allotments in .dk works roughly as in .se, they are designed not to be actual homes. You're not allowed to use them as your listed place of residence; authorities require you to have a "real" residence as well. This can of course be circumvented by claiming you live with a friend and listing yourself at their address, but it's illegal and measures will be taken accordingly if you're found out - you'll surely lose your allotment, if nothing else. Allotments are concentrated to specific areas, typically on municipal or county land rented by a co-op consisting of the inhabitants. Nowadays, most co-ops have installed municipal utilities (water, electricity) but not plumbing for human waste, which means most of them still have outhouses. Outhouse waste management is of course also heavily regulated. Often these utilities, at least water, are turned off during winter. The permanence of allotments is fleeting; many of them are continually moved or chopped off in order to make room for actual residential buildings. They are however very popular among apartment dwellers who move out to their cosy little allotment houses at the first sign of spring. Regarding the OP, nice work! Looks great.

carltheperson 5y ago
It's legal in Denmark to live here in the summer months. I can set it as my legal address if I want to. Someone is already doing that where I live but I have not gotten around to it.
birktj 5y ago
In .no you can have a "no permanent residence" status which is sometimes used by people who live in boats. This is often not optimal though as on paper it looks like you are homeless. An alternative which also is widely used by students is to be registered at your parents address even though you no longer live there. My understanding is that this is perfectly legal.
- m_eiman 5y ago
  I think in Sweden it's illegal to not have a listed address. If you're homeless you'll get your local city hall's address as your listed address, IIRC.
- version_five 5y ago
  I find the idea that everyone needs an address is outdated and harmful at least to some groups. For various reasons, I've spent lots of time with "no fixed address" but I'm still forced to declare a permanent home address for my driver's license, healthcare, credit cards, etc. Worse, if you move between provinces regularly, many services differ depending what province you're "living in". You end up having to lie and rely on someone who does have a stable address, which should not be requirements of going about your business.
  - calvinmorrison 5y ago
    > I find the idea that everyone needs an address is outdated and harmful at least to some groups. The #1 thing the USPS could have done to retain customers would be to have an actual sane forwarding service. I just had a company I worked at 10 years ago call me for an updated address because I had mail that kept going there after being returned from an address I had 5 years ago... I wish I could just tell the USPS my current address, and instead just list an address for leters that would forward to my actual address. (yes this exists as a forwarding service, but we could skip all that)
    - jaycroft 5y ago
      After dealing with changing dozens of addresses and forgetting to change countless more after moving every few years, I have always dreamed of a DNS like service for mail. Give me a serial number, then I don't need to keep my address on file with anyone except for the post office (and maybe FedEx and UPS).
      - bserge 5y ago
        What, like a mail forwarder like MyUS? Would that be legal in the US? It sure wouldn't be in most of Europe because you don't live there. Which for some fucking reason is a must.
    - ryandrake 5y ago
      Taking this even further, I wish I could just give out some randomish 64 character string for an address, and that the USPS could translate that string into a physical address for delivery. Then, when I move, I just notify the post office, and they update my entry in the look-up table. If I'm going to be without a physical address, no problem, they can make the look-up table point to a PO box or something. There is no good reason that I should need to give someone literal directions to my physical house, just so they can send a letter to me. Only the post office (and other delivery companies) need to know the physical address to send their trucks to.
- hjadal 5y ago
  Denmark appears to be slowly allowing it as well, in june this year it became legal to live in a autocamper without an address. But you do need to then have a contact listed, whom the Department for motor vehicles can contact in your place. This contact needs a permanent address, so it doesn't entirely remove the address requirement.
tantalor 5y ago
> you'll surely lose your allotment That seems a bit extreme
- p_l 5y ago
  Why? The license to use the allotment doesn't include living permanently on it. It's not a land you own.
  - tantalor 5y ago
    I was confused, the language "your allotment" implies property rights. Maybe "you'll lose access to the allotment" would be more clear.
    - p_l 5y ago
      The key word is IMO "allotment". While it can mean "parcelled and given out" (and that's the origin of it), the dominant meaning in English is "piece of land you can rent (for growing vegetables)"
mzs 5y ago
Similar in Poland, for those in US this is somewhat akin to being seasonal in a camp ground.
irae 5y ago
I am curious why the government would need to punish people because they are living as they wish, in land they bought and own. I mean, it is 100% fair to say a region will never get some types of utilities, or postal service, as it is part of city/environmental planing. They can also prohibit regions to have septic tanks, etc, for the same reasons. Thats fair, I guess? But why would they go as far as punish people that are using compost toilets, being environmentally friendly and largely self sufficient in small lots?
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  > I am curious why the government would need to punish people because they are living as they wish, in land they bought and own. Think of this as more like an area permanently deeded for a certain kind of activity, with the existing belief (encoded into law) being that permanent living there is in conflict with that activity. I think it's fine to argue that this belief is wrong, and that living permanently in the structure that is permitted to be on the allotment is just fine. I might even agree with you. But in general, it also seems fine to me that communities can mark out certain places as being for only a specific set of activities, and exclude others from taking place there.
  - dionidium 5y ago
    But in general, it also seems fine to me that communities can mark out certain places as being for only a specific set of activities, and exclude others from taking place there. It does seem fine, at first, but the end result is the housing crisis, because people, having been given this power, will work very hard to ensure that expensive single-family homes with multiple parking spots and generous setbacks are the only living arrangement that's legal. (Let's not forget that people also marked out racial boundaries, when they were allowed to do that, too. When you let homeowners set housing-use policy, you get...bad results.)
    - nicoburns 5y ago
      It doesn't need to directly be homeowners. In the UK it would generally be a planning committee which is a branch of local government. And I believe it consists of a mix of elected officials and professional experts. I definitely think planning is an area that could do with a lot of reform but done right it can be an extremely powerful for good.

carltheperson 5y ago

It's legal in Denmark to live here in the summer months. I can set it as my legal address if I want to. Someone is already doing that where I live but I have not gotten around to it.

birktj 5y ago

In .no you can have a "no permanent residence" status which is sometimes used by people who live in boats. This is often not optimal though as on paper it looks like you are homeless. An alternative which also is widely used by students is to be registered at your parents address even though you no longer live there. My understanding is that this is perfectly legal.

m_eiman 5y ago
I think in Sweden it's illegal to not have a listed address. If you're homeless you'll get your local city hall's address as your listed address, IIRC.
version_five 5y ago
I find the idea that everyone needs an address is outdated and harmful at least to some groups. For various reasons, I've spent lots of time with "no fixed address" but I'm still forced to declare a permanent home address for my driver's license, healthcare, credit cards, etc. Worse, if you move between provinces regularly, many services differ depending what province you're "living in". You end up having to lie and rely on someone who does have a stable address, which should not be requirements of going about your business.
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
  > I find the idea that everyone needs an address is outdated and harmful at least to some groups. The #1 thing the USPS could have done to retain customers would be to have an actual sane forwarding service. I just had a company I worked at 10 years ago call me for an updated address because I had mail that kept going there after being returned from an address I had 5 years ago... I wish I could just tell the USPS my current address, and instead just list an address for leters that would forward to my actual address. (yes this exists as a forwarding service, but we could skip all that)
  - jaycroft 5y ago
    After dealing with changing dozens of addresses and forgetting to change countless more after moving every few years, I have always dreamed of a DNS like service for mail. Give me a serial number, then I don't need to keep my address on file with anyone except for the post office (and maybe FedEx and UPS).
    - bserge 5y ago
      What, like a mail forwarder like MyUS? Would that be legal in the US? It sure wouldn't be in most of Europe because you don't live there. Which for some fucking reason is a must.
  - ryandrake 5y ago
    Taking this even further, I wish I could just give out some randomish 64 character string for an address, and that the USPS could translate that string into a physical address for delivery. Then, when I move, I just notify the post office, and they update my entry in the look-up table. If I'm going to be without a physical address, no problem, they can make the look-up table point to a PO box or something. There is no good reason that I should need to give someone literal directions to my physical house, just so they can send a letter to me. Only the post office (and other delivery companies) need to know the physical address to send their trucks to.
hjadal 5y ago
Denmark appears to be slowly allowing it as well, in june this year it became legal to live in a autocamper without an address. But you do need to then have a contact listed, whom the Department for motor vehicles can contact in your place. This contact needs a permanent address, so it doesn't entirely remove the address requirement.

tantalor 5y ago

> you'll surely lose your allotment That seems a bit extreme

p_l 5y ago
Why? The license to use the allotment doesn't include living permanently on it. It's not a land you own.
- tantalor 5y ago
  I was confused, the language "your allotment" implies property rights. Maybe "you'll lose access to the allotment" would be more clear.
  - p_l 5y ago
    The key word is IMO "allotment". While it can mean "parcelled and given out" (and that's the origin of it), the dominant meaning in English is "piece of land you can rent (for growing vegetables)"

mzs 5y ago

Similar in Poland, for those in US this is somewhat akin to being seasonal in a camp ground.

irae 5y ago

I am curious why the government would need to punish people because they are living as they wish, in land they bought and own. I mean, it is 100% fair to say a region will never get some types of utilities, or postal service, as it is part of city/environmental planing. They can also prohibit regions to have septic tanks, etc, for the same reasons. Thats fair, I guess? But why would they go as far as punish people that are using compost toilets, being environmentally friendly and largely self sufficient in small lots?

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> I am curious why the government would need to punish people because they are living as they wish, in land they bought and own. Think of this as more like an area permanently deeded for a certain kind of activity, with the existing belief (encoded into law) being that permanent living there is in conflict with that activity. I think it's fine to argue that this belief is wrong, and that living permanently in the structure that is permitted to be on the allotment is just fine. I might even agree with you. But in general, it also seems fine to me that communities can mark out certain places as being for only a specific set of activities, and exclude others from taking place there.
- dionidium 5y ago
  But in general, it also seems fine to me that communities can mark out certain places as being for only a specific set of activities, and exclude others from taking place there. It does seem fine, at first, but the end result is the housing crisis, because people, having been given this power, will work very hard to ensure that expensive single-family homes with multiple parking spots and generous setbacks are the only living arrangement that's legal. (Let's not forget that people also marked out racial boundaries, when they were allowed to do that, too. When you let homeowners set housing-use policy, you get...bad results.)
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    It doesn't need to directly be homeowners. In the UK it would generally be a planning committee which is a branch of local government. And I believe it consists of a mix of elected officials and professional experts. I definitely think planning is an area that could do with a lot of reform but done right it can be an extremely powerful for good.