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Yea I agree it’s something we can and should debate via legislation. However there is another part to that spectrum: laws prohibiting institutions from mandatin

Yea I agree it’s something we can and should debate via legislation. However there is another part to that spectrum: laws prohibiting institutions from mandating vaccinations. Anecdata warning: Over half of my wife’s healthcare colleagues refuse to get vaccinated. These are people who regularly treat the extremely frail and immunocompromised.

giantg2 5y ago
Perhaps one of the oddest things I saw was that hospital that fired a nurse who had antibodies but refused to be vaccinated. It's the same outcome (immunity) but I guess the corporate lawyers didn't care. Like, all I want to see is a little common sense from both sides (although it seems like there is some degree of bias).
- breckenedge 5y ago
  I could see that going both ways. We’re only now starting to see reliable studies about the duration of immunity after infection, so mandating a vaccine for a healthcare worker isn’t out of the realm of reasonable precaution. It would really depend on how recently the antibody test was conducted.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There is no scientific evidence that vaccination produces more durable immunity than infection. In fact it appears to be the opposite. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... And there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-adaptive-biotechnologies-t-detect-covid-test https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      It should be added that not only appears to be the opposite, the message was that vaccination is still necessary. That cannot be justified with a precautionary reasoning, it was misinformation.

giantg2 5y ago

Perhaps one of the oddest things I saw was that hospital that fired a nurse who had antibodies but refused to be vaccinated. It's the same outcome (immunity) but I guess the corporate lawyers didn't care. Like, all I want to see is a little common sense from both sides (although it seems like there is some degree of bias).

breckenedge 5y ago
I could see that going both ways. We’re only now starting to see reliable studies about the duration of immunity after infection, so mandating a vaccine for a healthcare worker isn’t out of the realm of reasonable precaution. It would really depend on how recently the antibody test was conducted.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is no scientific evidence that vaccination produces more durable immunity than infection. In fact it appears to be the opposite. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... And there's more to immunity than antibodies. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-adaptive-biotechnologies-t-detect-covid-test https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    It should be added that not only appears to be the opposite, the message was that vaccination is still necessary. That cannot be justified with a precautionary reasoning, it was misinformation.