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When I moderated reddit I always shadow banned bigots but left their messages to get seen by their friends to not arouse suspicion. Works very well

xupybd 5y ago
That scares me a little. Who gets to decide who's opinions are bigoted?
- ykevinator3 5y ago
  The guy above and all other volunteers
tjpnz 5y ago
Have you ever considered that in doing this you've made it harder for said individuals to realise the error in their ways? Placing people inside echo chambers (involuntarily or otherwise) only allows said views to fester, potentially leading to something more dangerous.
- newbamboo 5y ago
  The trolley problem. And A vicious cycle. Attribution error at the heart of it.
- s9w 5y ago
  Have you considered that they're not the ones who are wrong?
smitty1e 5y ago
Opinions dissenting from Correct Thought seem to fare poorly on social media, including this site.
- orwin 5y ago
  It's a cultural thing (if you meant that "Correct Thought" was different depending on the platform). I'm pretty ure this came from the US, and to be more precise, from McCarthyism, and bled through the cultural dominance to other western countries.
  - smitty1e 5y ago
    Actually "Correct Thought" is a Gene Wolfe reference => > Although Ascian is their mother tongue, adult Ascians don't understand plain Ascian sentences, unless they are direct quotations from governmental propaganda materials (called Correct Thought). So, in order to communicate, an Ascian has to know by heart thousands of these quotations (sentences) on many different topics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascian_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascian_language
- newbamboo 5y ago
  Even worse. So much of it is digital lookism. Failing to use the right words or not genuflecting appropriately. People don’t even engage with thoughts. They haven’t any.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > including this site You figure the rest. HN has all potential (the participants) to make clash fruitful; unfortunately, it lacks systems to prevent dead ends. (It is a pity though: well thought and mature ideas lost diluted in the space, and not meeting their natural matches in strenghtening, refinement, correction.) It is not "perfect" as a debate platform (it's not built to be a perfect debate platform as a goal - that would require proper exposure of different ideas and ingenuous organization of the confrontation spaces and methods).
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Do opinions dissenting from Correct Thought fare better elsewhere? There are very few human interaction spaces where such opinions are given oxygen, and it's usually done in a highly-codified context.
- tjansen 5y ago
  > including this site. What I find most interesting is that on HN, the Correct Thought depends on the time of day. I have seen quite a few comments that either didn't get any votes or even got a few upvotes in the European morning. Then, later that day, when the US folks start reading it, the upvotes disappear and the comments got downvoted. Seen that several times...
belltaco 5y ago
How is that even possible on Reddit? You can configure Automod to remove comments by users but AFAIK you can't make it visible to friends.

xupybd 5y ago

That scares me a little. Who gets to decide who's opinions are bigoted?

ykevinator3 5y ago
The guy above and all other volunteers

tjpnz 5y ago

Have you ever considered that in doing this you've made it harder for said individuals to realise the error in their ways? Placing people inside echo chambers (involuntarily or otherwise) only allows said views to fester, potentially leading to something more dangerous.

newbamboo 5y ago
The trolley problem. And A vicious cycle. Attribution error at the heart of it.
s9w 5y ago
Have you considered that they're not the ones who are wrong?

smitty1e 5y ago

Opinions dissenting from Correct Thought seem to fare poorly on social media, including this site.

orwin 5y ago
It's a cultural thing (if you meant that "Correct Thought" was different depending on the platform). I'm pretty ure this came from the US, and to be more precise, from McCarthyism, and bled through the cultural dominance to other western countries.
- smitty1e 5y ago
  Actually "Correct Thought" is a Gene Wolfe reference => > Although Ascian is their mother tongue, adult Ascians don't understand plain Ascian sentences, unless they are direct quotations from governmental propaganda materials (called Correct Thought). So, in order to communicate, an Ascian has to know by heart thousands of these quotations (sentences) on many different topics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascian_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascian_language
newbamboo 5y ago
Even worse. So much of it is digital lookism. Failing to use the right words or not genuflecting appropriately. People don’t even engage with thoughts. They haven’t any.
mdp2021 5y ago
> including this site You figure the rest. HN has all potential (the participants) to make clash fruitful; unfortunately, it lacks systems to prevent dead ends. (It is a pity though: well thought and mature ideas lost diluted in the space, and not meeting their natural matches in strenghtening, refinement, correction.) It is not "perfect" as a debate platform (it's not built to be a perfect debate platform as a goal - that would require proper exposure of different ideas and ingenuous organization of the confrontation spaces and methods).
shadowgovt 5y ago
Do opinions dissenting from Correct Thought fare better elsewhere? There are very few human interaction spaces where such opinions are given oxygen, and it's usually done in a highly-codified context.
tjansen 5y ago
> including this site. What I find most interesting is that on HN, the Correct Thought depends on the time of day. I have seen quite a few comments that either didn't get any votes or even got a few upvotes in the European morning. Then, later that day, when the US folks start reading it, the upvotes disappear and the comments got downvoted. Seen that several times...

belltaco 5y ago

How is that even possible on Reddit? You can configure Automod to remove comments by users but AFAIK you can't make it visible to friends.