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Familia Toledo: The most inexpensive computer USD $99.00
- ytetsuro 5y agoThe Raspberry Pi looks cheaper in my country, but does it come with a monitor and keyboard?
- bserge 5y agoWhat year was this published?
- sysadm1n 5y agoWhat strange wording in the page: > Please make active Javascript on your navigator And in the footer: > For some people the content of this site can create doubts or debate for their authenticity, we invite them to check that our scientific and technological research don't rest in words. And then there's an expired SSL cert that I had to whitelist to continue viewing the page. How old is this webpage?
- JohnJamesRambo 5y agoYou aren't using the right browser. >This site looks better with Biyubi Navigator Let me give you ten advantages of Fenix Windows compared to Win98 and Linux. http://www.biyubi.com/eng_ventajas.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_ventajas.html I love this website.
- punnerud 5y agoSelling points for Fenix Windows: -Phone connection to Internet is easy to prepare. -Operating system totally graphic, it includes television Easy to make fun of old design, but we use Word and Excel that is almost the same as in 95. And the best business programs is the ones without any need for GUI.
- bitexploder 5y agoI almost get a Temple OS mental illness vibe from it. It’s endlessly fascinating though.
- easton 5y agoI'm sold, now that I know it has absolutely no defects. Time to throw away my amateur OS.
- elif 5y agowebpage also $99
- userbinator 5y agoIt's from Mexico. Spanish is the native language.
- Animats 5y ago"Familia Toledo do not manufactures G11 computers for direct sale to the public, they sell their prototypes to governments or original equipment manufactures." That's the One Laptop Per Child business model. Dead end. You can get laptops on Alibaba starting at $80. If they just loaded their software onto them, something they could probably get the OEM to do for them, they'd be there. Instead of trying to cable stuff together with ribbon cables. For $100, you can get a Windows 10 capable (but not including Windows 10) machine, with reasonable memory, disk, and WiFi.
- bruxis 5y agoIt's not entirely obvious from OP's link, but it appears this offering is from 2005 or earlier (see this page listed in the "News" section: http://www.biyubi.com/computadora.html http://www.biyubi.com/computadora.html)
- OJFord 5y agoI think it is entirely obvious that they're not trying to sell anything for $99 in 2021. Amusingly though the footer copyright is to 2020. (i.e. it's not automatic, and is as recent as that.)
- williamtwild 5y agoIf the date is server side script you cant tell if its automatic or not.
- OJFord 5y agoIf the date is 2021 and it says 2020, I can at least tell that if it's automatic it doesn't work.
- morganvachon 5y agoYou can get a Raspberry Pi 4 for $35, add a $5 Micro SD card, a $5 cellphone charger, and a $10 keyboard/mouse combo, and you have a full fledged modern computer running a modern OS (Linux kernel 5.10) for $55. That is more in line with the DIY spirit of the subject, and certainly more capable, without requiring commercial software.
- okwubodu 5y agoI love this website so much and truly have no idea what year any of this was made.
- WrtCdEvrydy 5y agothe computer page was copyrighted 2005.
- nixpulvis 5y agoProbably before 2022 right?
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y agoThat doesn't really narrow it down. Why, every time I've ever experienced was before 2022!
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- chx 5y agoThe top of the sidebar links to Bulletin no 13 which is from August 1999. The bottom of the page says: Site funded Apr/30/2000. Updated Mar/14/2020.
- the_70x 5y agoI know a group of computer enthusiast back on that times where to visit Toledo house/factory. All the hardware and computers built by themselves was true but the owner and the family were very jealous about giving details about it. They were some kind of geniuses with no interest to profit by millions from their creations.
- marcodiego 5y agoThat is from 2002 right?
- madengr 5y agoI’ll buy it if it runs Temple OS.
- mdp2021 5y ago«Created by Familia Toledo, Biyubi 5.4 is the first Latin-American browser for Internet navigation, hacker-proof» Hacker proof. Edit: well, their article about the browser is from 2002.
- OJFord 5y agoAlternative call-out: 'internet navigation'.
- gomox 5y agoIn Spanish web browsers are called "navegadores" (navigators, no doubt inspired by Netscape's product). This coming from Latin America it's an understandable translation quirk.
- OJFord 5y agoOh it calls it a 'browser' right before that, I wasn't making fun of the translation. 'Internet navigation' is fine if dated English usage.
- maxmalkav 5y agoIt's fun to see the Familia Toledo on HN, I discovered them through the Spanish online communities quite some years ago. There is some charm in their naivety mixed with their display of self-importance. IIRC their "own" operating systems used to be derived from MenuetOS and similar open source projects. As a side note, one of the family member (Óscar Toledo) seems to have been performing well in the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC).
- worg 5y agoCan you elaboraré more on the MenuetOS derivative? I've been trying to find a comprehensive (in fact, any) analysis of their OS (or any doc, review) without much success
- maxmalkav 5y agoThe only reference I have about that is this blog entry (in Spanish): https://la-morsa.blogspot.com/2007/12/la-extrasima-familia-toledo.html https://la-morsa.blogspot.com/2007/12/la-extrasima-familia-t... It describes the visit of a group of members of a FOSS community Cofradia (https://cofradia.org https://cofradia.org) to the Toledo family somewhere in mid 00s. Several users stated that the OS "looked suspiciously like MenuetOS". This is the opinion of people active in FOSS communities that probably had contact and played with MenuetOS at that time. The article also makes IMHO a fair reflection on the family and their merits. The father is of humble extraction, with actual knowledge of electronics and low level programming but without any formal education. His passion about the topic becomes cult-like at times, with the rest of the family following his lead.
- worg 5y agothanks!
- apecat 5y agoDo you know if anyone actually uses or used their software stack and hardware for end-user productivity?
- PolCPP 5y agoTheres a youtube video where you can see their hw & os browser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzw-_qN1zSg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzw-_qN1zSg
- Igelau 5y agohttp://www.biyubi.com/eng_productos.html http://www.biyubi.com/eng_productos.html Computerized Metal Detector: > with him it is possible to discover booties of past times or relatively recent
- deeviant 5y agoWith the world's cheapest website to match...
- meowster 5y agoMany websites have not held up to HN's Hug of Death, to their credit, this one has.
- anigbrowl 5y ago(2005)
- reshie 5y agoreminds me of those cheap atom netbooks years ago entry level was around that price though they could not handle much browsing and word proccessing in a small portable form(video was a issue though). most today do a lot better in that form but are usually in the 250$ or so range for entry level.
- aasasd 5y agoIIRC one of these people, perhaps Óscar Toledo, wrote a usable OS fitting in either 512 bytes or the MBR (which is a bit smaller afaik).
- mbfg 5y agoIsn't a raspberry pi 400 like $80?
- perrohunter 5y agoI remember drinking the koolaid of the familia toledo back in 2006 hahaha back then their claims seemed way more realistic and "what if?" sort of thing, now they just feel outdated
- froysm 5y agoOne of the most interesting things I found in the Familia Toledo site is the resources about Didxaza (also known as Zapotec) http://www.biyubi.com/did_consulta.php http://www.biyubi.com/did_consulta.php Really interesting language!
- nine_k 5y agoThe interesting part here is the browser. It does not seem to stem from any major HTML engine known to me. The history page is from 2005 and says about HTML 4.01. The English front page mentions advances in the browser (but HTML5 is not mentioned directly). I wonder what can it be. The browser seems pretty custom, with support for POP3 (well, Opera used to have a built-in email client) and, in 2005 when it made sense, for ICQ. But a HTML + CSS engine is such a complex beast that very few really exist which would work tolerably with the modern Web.
- Lamad123 5y agoThis feels so 2003!
- ThinkBeat 5y agoIs there a way to buy or really otherwise obtain their operating system and/or browser? I have clicked around, and I read a lot of enthusiastic descriptions, but how does one use it? Is it only available if you buy the computer, they have designed which you can't buy? I feel like I have clicked around in circles several times without gaining an understanding of how or when it was possible to use them?