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As long as they aren’t harming anyone why can’t you respect their wishes and leave them alone if that’s what they want? What if someone decided you needed help
by chrisseaton 5y ago
As long as they aren’t harming anyone why can’t you respect their wishes and leave them alone if that’s what they want? What if someone decided you needed help even after you made it clear you didn’t want it?
- bluGill 5y agoHow do they do that and get their homeless number to zero?
- chrisseaton 5y agoAs long as the homeless people have been offered help and are not harming others why do you feel the need to do anything to them? Why does a class of person need to be reduced to ‘zero’? What if someone decided people like you had to be reduced to zero?
- burnished 5y agoLets talk about harm. Street people don't have places to dispose of needles, they don't have access to sanitation or toilettes, frequently are struggling with mental health issues in loud and sometimes frightening fashions, oh and I guess if you're a woman in that position you're in incredible danger. With that in mind, is it more clear why other people wouldn't want any one to live like that?
- chrisseaton 5y agoI already said > As long as the homeless people have been offered help and are not harming others So I don’t know why you’re giving examples where they are causing harm.
- burnished 5y agoBecause your example is just a distraction, no one cares about the people just minding their own business not causing any (visible) problems. Almost definitionally when we're talking about this we are talking about the people that are harming others, either directly or indirectly.
- bluGill 5y agoThese harmless people who don't want help are still a statistic and so the country is going to look bad in some report so long as they don't forcefully force them to take help they don't need or want.
- proc0 5y agoDoes taking a dump in front of your building count? Because I have many experience of that, including a couple where they entered my building and took a big dump in the lobby.
- chrisseaton 5y agoWell that’s clearly harmful and selfish behaviour so I already covered that.
- bpodgursky 5y agoI don't consider it humane to let someone live on the streets begging until they happen to die of a drug overdose. I don't care about their wishes, guided by drug addiction and mental health issues. To allow and enable this much squandering of human potential is a moral crime. Get people clean of drugs, healthy, stable, and educated. By force, if needed. If from that baseline he decides to go back into a life of drugs and onto the streets, then so be it. But don't allow people to commit themselves to a slow death until they've been forced to step onto a better path and see what their life _could_ be.
- srswtf123 5y agoThis is, in all honesty, a terrifying point of view. Forcing people to take part in a society that has already rejected them and conform to someone else’s view of normal, healthy, stable, etc., that, to me, would be literal torture. I don’t consider it humane to torture people. How do you feel about all the busywork jobs that enable so so much more squandering of human potential? Should all those folks be forced to live your version of their best life?
- bpodgursky 5y agoWe have different views about what is humane. I struggle to understand yours, but that's OK.
- srswtf123 5y agoWell, certainly we can agree to disagree.
- chrisseaton 5y agoYours involves forcing your world view on a vulnerable person against their will for your benefit. Theirs does not. Guess which is the moral one.
- ghomrassen 5y agoSo righteousness falls upon the vulnerable? I guess I'll tell my drug addicted cousin he's all good because he's vulnerable. You can be moral by being against the will of someone who's lost their way.