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>I do everything with the google docs these days, even on windows. So do a lot of businesses. Some might, but goodness knows I've never run into one. The corpo
by ubermonkey 5y ago
>I do everything with the google docs these days, even on windows. So do a lot of businesses.
Some might, but goodness knows I've never run into one. The corporate America I have interacted with so far (30 year career, so not trivial) is Office all the way down, and deeply enmeshed with Exchange calendaring. (I mean, as an MSFT-hater from the 90s, it pains me to admit this, but Exchange calendaring is materially better than anything else. Sometimes, Redmond does things well.)
- codazoda 5y agoThere are over 2 billion G Suite users. https://www.businessinsider.com/google-g-suite-gmail-2-billion-vs-microsoft-office-2020-3?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-g-suite-gmail-2-billi...
- blackoil 5y agoThey probably count all Android users who create gmail account with phone as GSuite users. Corporate users should be couple of order of magnitude lower.
- clhodapp 5y agoGSuite is (or rather was, until they renamed it) specifically the corporate version.
- easton 5y agoI’d be surprised if there’s even 200 million GSuite (not free gmail account, since that’s not for commercial use) accounts active. They have like no market share in enterprise outside of schools. (I’ve never met anyone who wasn’t at a school that used GSuite. Which shows the circles I’m in, of course, but I think there’s a weird HN bias where people think that companies outside of smaller shops are using GSuite. Exchange is still good and cheaper than ever.)
- amyjess 5y agoThe last three companies I've worked at have all been GSuite shops.
- markmark 5y agoHow big were the companies? And how long had they been around?
- grogenaut 5y agoThe company I work for, 3k people, is heavy gsuite. The company that owns them, 1.5M people, is all office or aws docs or salesforce docs, but no gsuite. So 1.497M people using office.
- mikelpr 5y agosalesforce docs???? couldn't find anything about that
- grogenaut 5y agoAah I was thinking of Quip.
- throwaway2037 5y agoThis is a great reply. Solid facts. Regarding you experience with GSuite, assuming that you have used MS Office previously, do you find it sufficient for your needs?
- grogenaut 5y agoWe use Google docs for design docs and proposals. We use sheets for basic organization. Engineering, I think, generally just jumps to SQL (redshift/mode) or Jupyter Notebook once we get beyond a few thousand rows. I use Excel sometimes to view CSVs but that's about it. I worked with MS Office before. My use of Word was the same and google docs, actually, I think is better due to a lack of fancy features. I just use basic text formatting in outline format and attached pictures. I didn't use excel before. So yeah I prefer gsuite to office. I had to do a document with word and track changes over email a few months back. It was brutal. Gsuite destroys that workflow.
- hk1337 5y agoCurious what exactly they're counting since they do say "users"? If I have a domain in G Suite with 500 users, is that 500 G Suite users or just 1 G Suite user?
- skrtskrt 5y agoI have never worked for a company that doesn't use GSuite since a college internship at a 100+ years old insurance company.
- toolz 5y agoI've been writing software professionally for a decade - I wanna know where all these people using ms office are hiding - I've certainly never seen them. Googles suite of tools have been first class citizens at almost every company I've been at.
- pknomad 5y agoHonestly? Most teams/organizations use G-Suite unless you are a finance/legal/legacy company or some entities in midwest states.
- Thrymr 5y agoThat may be true for more casual users of office suites, but any organization that uses spreadsheets as a computational tool that does analysis on which the business depends uses Excel instead of Google Sheets. Certainly this is the case in finance and banking. (I am not necessarily an advocate of Excel as a computational tool, but it is used that way.) Sure, if you're a software company GSuite is good enough.
- NickNameNick 5y agoA few years ago, at my previous job, we did a two week trial of g-suite and o365. Our o365 was down for about half the trial period. We chose google....
- Yizahi 5y agoIn our corp we all use MS suite. Once we've decided to track vacation in the team locally. So we've made a Google spreadsheet with like 12 rows and 365 columns for a year. It was running insanely slow, editing and scrolling it was painful. Also it lacks basic things which Excel supports since forever, I don't remember now but a lot of basic styling and formatting for cells is missing. And that's just for basic work. Import a millon line .csv file to apply a formula to it and then export - wouldn't even try in g-suite. (PS: that's way faster than creating and debugging a script to do the same thing on .csv directly).
- smorgusofborg 5y agoGoogle sheets with JavaScript seems to be far more useful doing business automation tasks in small companies. In my world, Office is only used when you are consulting to companies where most data is for monthly meetings made of people that don't really care.
- cascom 5y ago95% of the small businesses I’ve interacted with don’t have someone that knows JavaScript let alone are automating with JavaScript
- smorgusofborg 5y agoI'd agree, but I actually know two self taught programmers who started with Google sheets, then added a little gscript.. The same can and does happen with Excel but using python compatibility is problematic and VB isn't as quickly transferable to working with any web API, etc.
- clhodapp 5y agoI am pretty sure that we're all just myopic and tend to project what goes on inside of our little echo chambers across the entire space (unless I'm the one projecting... nope, couldn't be!) Heck, I regularly manage to run into people that have managed to convince themselves that nobody actually runs Linux servers or that Java is the only programming language that has any traction... The truth is that real-world tech adoption is actually extremely heterogeneous and we would all do well to remind ourselves of that from time to time.
- addicted 5y agoI’ll never understand how people can be close to effective with Google Docs. It’s fine as a replacement for Word (I guess? I’m not much of a Word user). But Excel is so far ahead. And the ergonomics of working in a real application vs a web app is a significant difference.
- hodgesrm 5y agoIt's the sharing. In distributed teams that one feature makes up for a multitude of sins.
- LightG 5y agoMaybe for replacing Word, not Excel. Google Sheets is handy for basic tasks among small/large groups. Get even a tiny bit "sophisticated" and it's all over.
- DarkmSparks 5y agoI mostly replaced excel with libreoffice sheets where possible. I actually prefer writer in all circumstances. For everything else similar (e.g. shared complex excel docs with tons of VB) I use MS office on a mac mini and my main desktop is a fc33 build with an RTX3070 and AMD5900X
- LightG 5y agoThanks, good to see some options I can dabble with.
- hodgesrm 5y agoWe have a 100% remote company. We run our business on Google Sheets. It's entirely sufficient for our purposes which include cloud cost modeling (we do a lot of that) as well as cash flow management and financial projections. I'm an Excel fan as well but in our case it simply would not work due to the fact the team is spread across so many locations.
- jslove 5y agoYes microsoft still has a near monopoly on the office after 30 years. I am not sure why the competition bureau only focused on internet explorer and not ms office bundling.
- hnra 5y agoHaving a monopoly isn’t illegal. You have to show that Microsoft is leveraging their market dominance to prevent competition.