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Hospitalizations hit 100k in United States for first time since January
- actually_a_dog 5y ago31k of them are in Texas and Florida. What a surprise.
- anshumankmr 5y agoKilling your own voter base to own the libs.
- ceejayoz 5y agoIn a state that decided the 2000 election by like 500 votes, too.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI'm pretty sure that election was decided in Washington, DC by 5 votes.
- refurb 5y agoBeing two of the most populous states, no, not a big surprise!
- Calavar 5y agoTexas and Florida together account for 15% of the US population, but 30% of the hospitalizations.
- doublea 5y ago15% of the population has 31% of hospitalizations. Definitely a "surprise".
- AndrewBissell 5y agoTwo of the most populous states with the main seasonal factor (hot, humid weather) driving people to congregate indoors right now.
- jryle70 5y agoCalifornia is the most populous state with 39 million people. Currently 8,000 hospitalized. The peak was 14,000 in Jan. Florida has 21.6 million people. 14,000 currently hospitalized, all time high. New York state population is 20 million, roughly equal to Florida. 2,200 hospitalized, six times less than Florida. The peak was 10,000 in Jan. So no, population reason doesn't cut it.
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- exhilaration 5y agoWe've had a mild summer in the northeast, I'd expect the cases to rise dramatically in New York and New Jersey as we get into the winter and people spend more time indoors.
- mikem170 5y agoYep, same as last year. And Texas and Florida have had more cases in the summer, for similar reasons.
- benjaminwootton 5y agoHaven’t they been open for most of the year? I know people would love to see them fail, but the fact the wave randomly hits them now shows the lack of correlation with restrictions and masks, no? Wasn’t California topping the charts at points this year?
- thepangolino 5y agoWhat happens is that people get in the hospital for reason xyz and get tested positive as prt of admission protocols.
- pfdietz 5y agoIn my county in west-central NY, all the hospitalized vaccinated people were going to the hospital for some other reason and tested positive at admission. They count as "hospitalized with COVID" even though they are not in the hospital for COVID.
- nradov 5y agoYes that's very common. Patients are admitted to the hospital for some other condition and then test positive for coronavirus. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/26/exclusive-half-covid-hospitalisations-tested-positive-admission/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/26/exclusive-half-c...
- davewritescode 5y agoNobody wants to see their strategy fail, what annoys people is that we know that even when you do most things right, COVID can infiltrate a home or care facility where masks can't be worn all day and that's when things get dangerous. Where tiny COVID hotspots start is basically a matter of luck. A few people acting like idiots is enough to start a local cluster. It's what happens after those local clusters pop up that dictates the real results. Masks are part of the equation, the real frustrating is the lack of vaccination and the lack of masking. Massachusetts has a population of 7 million people, had 2 deaths yesterday and has ~500 people currently hospitalized with COVID. Louisiana, a similar sized state, has a population of 5 million and has nearly 5k people in the hospital and has a 7 day rolling average of 110 deaths. Texas and Florida are both worse than Louisiana. This includes the fact that Cape Cod had a massive 1000+ person outbreak July 4th which resulted in, as far as I'm aware, no deaths and relatively few hospitalizations. Tell me what state you'd rather live in? The whole "But but California was worse at one point schtick isn't going to work when you see Southern states with double as many people per capita dying as the Northern state who've had most of their deaths occur very early in the pandemic when we didn't have treatments or even effective testing.
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- mikem170 5y agoThere might be a pattern, both of these states (and some other southern states I sampled) had surges in during the summer months of 2020 and 2021, unlike some northern states, like NY [0]. Perhaps because everyone is hiding inside with the air conditioning to escape the heat? [0] https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/covid-19-tracker/ https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/covid-19-tracke...
- Proven 5y agoNumber of new Delta cases is dropping
- thepangolino 5y agoKey word in the report is hospitalised with covid. Not because of covid. We’ve all heard of those car accident victims being counted as covid death because of a positive test.
- nlitened 5y agoWill these hospitalized people be also financially ruined? Or is emergency COVID care free of charge?
- mattrighetti 5y agoYou can be ensured or not, it depends. Honestly it’s pretty stupid to end up in ICU when something free has been offered to you in order to avoid just that, so people should just take their responsibility.
- ekianjo 5y ago> so people should just take their responsibility. if you get a serious adverse event following a vaccination, however unlikely, who pays for your medical expenses since the link with vaccines is always denied?
- ceejayoz 5y agoOne of the specific government programs set up for that purpose. https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp
- ekianjo 5y agothanks. this is a clear answer.
- ceejayoz 5y agoIt may also interest you to know that, despite claiming "the link with vaccines is always denied", the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compensation_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Injury_Compen... awarded compensation in 42% of resolved claims, and has paid out multiple billions. Everyone, including the vaccine manufacturers, is aware of the possibility of rare reactions. This system exists because "no one will make vaccines because a jury of twelve lay people may award a $500M penalty because little Timmy got autism despite there being no link" is a national security threat.
- swarnie_ 5y agoYou've had the vaccine for longer then almost anyone, what's happening?
- whatever1 5y agoThe states with the low vaccination rates are now paying the price of their politics.
- orbifold 5y agoThe vaccine does unfortunately not work as well as hoped for in the case of the delta variant + a lot of people are still unvaccinated and delta is much more infectious. Cases and hospitalisations are also up in Israel https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m.... Here is a corresponding news item in Science: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-.... It also suggests that the protection against hospitalisation of the vaccine is not as good as it was hoped for among older people. From the publicly available data for Israel you can estimate the vaccine efficacy against hospitalisations to be ~59% (relative risk reduction).
- ithkuil 5y agoStatistics are hard to interpret correctly. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox
- orbifold 5y agoWell it is easy to work it out yourself. Israelis >12 years are 78/22 vaccinated/not vaccinated. Among the hospitalised 59/41 are vaccinated/not vaccinated. So you have 59/78 = 0.756 and 41/22 = 1.864. Therefore the ratio of risks is 0.756/1.864 = 0.41. Which gives you 0.59 as I mentioned. I believe that is the same way the original efficacy of the vaccine was calculated in the first place. Admittedly I have a PhD in Physics not statistics, so I might be missing something :).
- simonsarris 5y agoaccording to Our World in Data they hit 133k in January and are only 89k right now, and approx flat for the last 5 days: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Hospital+patients&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- randomopining 5y agoImagine laying in a hospital bed dying from suffocation when you had like 6 months to go out for 30 mins and get a 5 second shot that would've most likely prevented you from dying. Lol! All to own the libs.
- antisthenes 5y agoAs an economist and a cultural transplant to the US, I'll never understand this. How can politics/party lines be stronger than rational self-interest? It just doesn't compute in my head, and never will for the rest of my life. I know these people are not the majority, but their fraction is still large enough to amount to millions of people. It's absolutely mind-boggling.
- rhino369 5y agoIts a breakdown of trust in our nations institutions. The older ones who refuse mostly don't believe the vaccines will work. So based on that wrong fact, they are acting in their self-interest. Bad faith exploiters who peddle fake news are much to blame. But our institutions should reflect on why people trust dumbasses on facebook more than them. Our public health officials 1) aren't really competent on average, 2) have been constantly wrong, but worse 3) have lied (with noble intent I guess) about covid. Nobody trusts the media in general. It's all biased and sensationalist.
- lamontcg 5y agoIts not really the older ones though. We're seeing a lot more 30-40 year olds packing the hospitals and the kids ICUs are filling up in the hotspots. The message was that only 80 year olds die of this disease. But while the risk of death halves with every 8 years younger you are the risk of hospitalization only halves every 15 years. So while a 20 year old is 161 times less likely than an 80 year old to die, they're only 16 times less likely than an 80 year old to be hospitalized (roughly a 1% chance with the alpha variant so probably 2% chance with delta). And that's enough when spread across the entire population because of how resource intensive COVID patients are. Agreed though about public health officials. They are all MDs who were better at playing politics than they were at medicine.