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The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

by ajkjk 5y ago

lamontcg 5y ago
Yeah, you can be so open-minded that every piece of drivel just slides easily through your mind. That isn't being well informed. You actually need good filters and know what they're based upon. Props to Bernie for taking the battle to the middle ground though and not preaching only to the choir. He kind of got shit on for that as well.
- manigandham 5y ago
  Joe will be the first to say he isn't well informed at all and that's yet another reason why he likes having long conversations with all kinds of people. He's incredibly transparent and authentic, and that's what people seek more than anything. It's the reason for his rise along with many others building independent followings now. Whether you like him or not, or agree with his views, is entirely subjective. But it's interesting to see how much control people want over others by the topics and conversation they want to prevent and suppress, and those actions speak far louder than words.
manigandham 5y ago
I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.
- ajkjk 5y ago
  The claim was that what made him a gateway was his literally acting as a gateway: > When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. This is in spite of his politics.
  - manigandham 5y ago
    By that logic, he's a gateway to the entire political spectrum based on thousands of episodes over a decade. There are plenty of people who are exposed to (far)left perspectives from his show - do you take issue with that?
    - ajkjk 5y ago
      No, that's fine, it's probably true, but that's not a bad thing that we're condemning. You are evidently very unwilling to accept the claim, so I don't think anything said here will convince you otherwise, but perhaps it is meaningful that so many people are convinced of it.
      - manigandham 5y ago
        The point is that he exposes the entire spectrum and even leans left himself, however the original commenter only mentioned the alt-right. Clearly they're implying one side is worse and somehow going to unleash terrible things, however these claims are vague, misleading, and usually made by those who just happen to be on the other extreme. Very few people have such trouble with his massive variety of guests, topics and politics; otherwise it wouldn't be the most popular podcast in the world.
- adventured 5y ago
  It's pretty straight-forward. The left can't stand Rogan because he allows the non-left (not just the alt-right; the non-left) to have a platform. They don't actually care what the material is, what the issue is, they can't tolerate anything that isn't their own bubble, their own world views. The left controls ~95% of all media and it still isn't enough. Any platform that gives a voice to anything other than their own views, is fundamentally bad and is not to be tolerated. That's why most of the censorship push is coming from the left today, they're the party of intolerance and it's not just about the alt-right or far-right. Comedians broadly are terrified of the left's crazy censorship push, they're speaking out about it on a constant basis; comedians are almost always the canaries in the speech coal mine. An obvious example of this in action, is Jordan Peterson, who the left almost universally detests. He's neither alt-right nor far-right, and yet the left tries to slander and control him with that label constantly (bury him under fake labels). If you're not in total agreement with them, you're the enemy; that's widely the ethos of the intolerant left today. Rogan has given people like Peterson a large platform to speak through. That's the sort of thing the left hates Rogan for.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    > The left controls ~95% of all media and it still isn't enough The biggest social media site is Facebook. Facebook is very right leaning. The biggest cable news/punditry channel is Fox. Fox is _very_ right leaning. The rest of cable news is mostly centrist, certainly not left. MSNBC is vaguely left, that's about it. Radio is dominated by right-wing blowhards. Where is my 95% exactly?

The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

by ajkjk 5y ago

The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

lamontcg 5y ago

Yeah, you can be so open-minded that every piece of drivel just slides easily through your mind. That isn't being well informed. You actually need good filters and know what they're based upon. Props to Bernie for taking the battle to the middle ground though and not preaching only to the choir. He kind of got shit on for that as well.

manigandham 5y ago
Joe will be the first to say he isn't well informed at all and that's yet another reason why he likes having long conversations with all kinds of people. He's incredibly transparent and authentic, and that's what people seek more than anything. It's the reason for his rise along with many others building independent followings now. Whether you like him or not, or agree with his views, is entirely subjective. But it's interesting to see how much control people want over others by the topics and conversation they want to prevent and suppress, and those actions speak far louder than words.

manigandham 5y ago

I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.

ajkjk 5y ago
The claim was that what made him a gateway was his literally acting as a gateway: > When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. This is in spite of his politics.
- manigandham 5y ago
  By that logic, he's a gateway to the entire political spectrum based on thousands of episodes over a decade. There are plenty of people who are exposed to (far)left perspectives from his show - do you take issue with that?
  - ajkjk 5y ago
    No, that's fine, it's probably true, but that's not a bad thing that we're condemning. You are evidently very unwilling to accept the claim, so I don't think anything said here will convince you otherwise, but perhaps it is meaningful that so many people are convinced of it.
    - manigandham 5y ago
      The point is that he exposes the entire spectrum and even leans left himself, however the original commenter only mentioned the alt-right. Clearly they're implying one side is worse and somehow going to unleash terrible things, however these claims are vague, misleading, and usually made by those who just happen to be on the other extreme. Very few people have such trouble with his massive variety of guests, topics and politics; otherwise it wouldn't be the most popular podcast in the world.
adventured 5y ago
It's pretty straight-forward. The left can't stand Rogan because he allows the non-left (not just the alt-right; the non-left) to have a platform. They don't actually care what the material is, what the issue is, they can't tolerate anything that isn't their own bubble, their own world views. The left controls ~95% of all media and it still isn't enough. Any platform that gives a voice to anything other than their own views, is fundamentally bad and is not to be tolerated. That's why most of the censorship push is coming from the left today, they're the party of intolerance and it's not just about the alt-right or far-right. Comedians broadly are terrified of the left's crazy censorship push, they're speaking out about it on a constant basis; comedians are almost always the canaries in the speech coal mine. An obvious example of this in action, is Jordan Peterson, who the left almost universally detests. He's neither alt-right nor far-right, and yet the left tries to slander and control him with that label constantly (bury him under fake labels). If you're not in total agreement with them, you're the enemy; that's widely the ethos of the intolerant left today. Rogan has given people like Peterson a large platform to speak through. That's the sort of thing the left hates Rogan for.
- kadoban 5y ago
  > The left controls ~95% of all media and it still isn't enough The biggest social media site is Facebook. Facebook is very right leaning. The biggest cable news/punditry channel is Fox. Fox is _very_ right leaning. The rest of cable news is mostly centrist, certainly not left. MSNBC is vaguely left, that's about it. Radio is dominated by right-wing blowhards. Where is my 95% exactly?