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Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoki
by arodgers_la 5y ago
Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0]
That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell.
[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s
- beaner 5y agoFor it to be the schtick that'd have to be sort of the pont of the show, but it's only a topic of discussion so long as it's made relevant by those in our society, and even then that ignores the large diversity of guests and topics in his show. There's nothing wrong with listening to two regular people have a conversation regardless of their qualifications for the topics they're discussing. They don't pretend to be professionals. (Hence why that quote can be said and why they can laugh about it.)
- mmrezaie 5y agoI think we all know JRE is not about two people having shit conversation. I used to listen to it since 2016. In the past couple of years, JRE is all about let's bring out what triggers the other side; no matter what the other side is all about. I have friends I have lost because of this, whom I have no idea how to respond to their messages anymore; Intelligent and educated ones. Regular people argument doesn't apply in here.
- hirvi74 5y agoI agree. He used to have interesting guest, and I felt the conversations were more organic. I quit watching a few years back because I did not enjoy the direction the podcast was going in.
- pohl 5y agoJoe is "regular people"? He's a sitcom actor. He makes a couple hundred million a year on podcast ad revenue alone. He only presents himself as a "regular" person because that's the demographic he's targeting.
- manigandham 5y agoHe does not make "hundreds of millions a year" on podcast ad revenue, that's a ridiculously high number. The entire podcast ad market is barely $1B total.
- Bud 5y agoFYI, no, he makes about an order of magnitude less than that, total, from all sources. He made $30M last year.
- usefulcat 5y agoThe trees have been refuted but the forest remains..
- suzzer99 5y agoThis. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.
- nradov 5y agoYou're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?
- coryfklein 5y agoI've listened to 4-5 Joe Rogan episodes and not once got the impression that he was trying to be a comedian. Now I may be an idiot, but I don't think I'm _exceptionally_ idiotic compared to most folks who might come across his content.
- tych0 5y agoSeems like GP might be talking about Joe Rogan.
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- frosted-flakes 5y agoJRE is not a comedy show though.
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- paulpauper 5y agothe health experts a year ago said vaccines would make this go away, and before that they predicted that masks and social distancing would flatten the curve. With the exception of a few countries, none of that happened. At this ponit, I don't think anyone knows anything. due to rampant downvoting, I will respond to individual replies here: "This worked perfectly basically anywhere people actually complied. " Italy had among the strictest lockdowns in April but saw a huge resurgence at the end of2020 " Largely it did happen, we just don't see the counterfactual. It could have been a lot worse. " That is moving the goalposts. The claim by the experts was that the vaccines were 95% effective at stopping the spread. It seemd that way until a few months ago when Deltacame along.
- recursive 5y agoIt's not enough for vaccines to exist. People have get vaccinated. That has not happened (enough). How do you know the curve wasn't flattened? I don't know whether it was or not. It seems the only way to find out for sure is to compare the curve to what it would have been in an alternate timeline.
- kaibee 5y ago> they predicted that masks and social distancing would flatten the curve. This worked perfectly basically anywhere people actually complied.
- goostavos 5y agohttps://www.covidchartsquiz.com/ https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/
- mavhc 5y agoSeems like an unbiased source. I made my own chart: https://imgur.com/a/mI8OdpW https://imgur.com/a/mI8OdpW
- knownjorbist 5y agoThis really takes the cake for misleading charts, devoid of context or controlling for other factors when drawing conclusions.
- andrewmcwatters 5y agoBill Burr might be right, but there are, for example, people who think satirical news shows are actual credible news. I don't think what Joe Rogan does is much above a step beyond that sort of entertainment.
- nmz 5y agoFox news has news in its name and the daily show got emmy's every single time, not to mention that time The colbert report tried getting a super pac and managed to get it. Last week tonight is quite credible.
- jonny_eh 5y agoThe Colbert Report did more to educate Americans about Super PACs than any legit news source: https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/stephen-colberts-civics-lesson-or-how-a-tv-humorist-taught-america-about-campaign-finance/ https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/stephen-colberts... Meanwhile Fox News continues to mislead Americans with active disinformation on a daily basis.
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- VelkaMorava 5y agoDuring that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_in_a_nutshell/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...
- serverholic 5y agoI've noticed that a lot of overly-confident people do this. They essentially have a list of preferred topics and always try to bring the conversation to those topics.
- godelski 5y agoI don't mind this as much. At least they are talking about things that they are knowledgeable about. What I don't like is when people are overly confident about their YouTube degree. The armchair experts that need to prove how smart they are, even if you're an expert in the field they're talking about. It is excruciatingly painful.
- mjklin 5y ago> What's your rap these days? Most of us have one. Is it a disquisition on the stupidity of television, the rapacity of multinational corporations, how the Yuppies had it coming to them, the thrills of motorcycling, the perils of tuna fish? Some people are always ready to mount the soapbox. (It's the twelfth time you've heard this guy's tirade and it was already boring the second time around.) > The worst sort of rap is the pet peeve. Pet peeves manage to smuggle their way into every conversation, no matter what the topic. Marty is hung up on America's foolishness in not imposing tariffs against the Japanese. It's not clear why he takes this so personally, but he's definitely obsessed with the problem. The topic of conversation is Monday-night football? Marty contrives a quick segue to the state of television in America, orchestrates a smooth turn to the subject of the future Japanese control of the entertainment business, and— presto— tariffs. Marty's rap is boring for the same reason the preacher's is— it's predictable— but it's also an imposition. He uses friends as a sounding board for his venting. - From the book Everyday Ethics by Joshua Halberstam
- 0xy 5y agoThe CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.
- Bhilai 5y agoCDC is working with limited information on a novel virus. As they are learning more they are shifting their guidance to match the current understanding about how the virus spreads.
- 0xy 5y agoCDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use. There was no new information. There were only lies.
- tastygreenapple 5y agoThen why don't they convey their uncertainty? Seems like the bare minimum. Also, they clearly lied about their reasoning in the initial guidance not to wear a mask, you can understand why people would mistrust them and a public health agency lying to the public at the start of a pandemic is ill-advised yet no one has faced accountability for that deceit.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoThis is the most frustrating thing about Rogan for me... if he were talking to people as an uniformed layman and sharing his opinion in an effort to weed through his thoughts and become more informed, that would be great! We need more people who are willing to be wrong and learn from that. This is often how Bill Burr comes across (to me, anyway). But Rogan's not that. He likes to hear himself talk, throws his opinions at experts as if they're equally valid, invites charlatans on and equates them with experts, rarely changes his mind, and comes out of it just as dumb as he came into it. Then people emulate him and end up in a state where they're less able to learn, and frankly, bigger assholes. It's barely even a shtick, it's the same old pseudo-intellectual machismo that has always plagued society.
- techrat 5y agoThe worst part for me was when Rogan started allowing people who were spewing obvious bullshit... to have his platform unchallenged. When someone tells you who they are, listen. But I'd add this: When someone lets someone else speak for them, pay attention to who is in that group.
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- supperburg 5y agoSays people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. And I think it’s important because it gives a platform to people are being ignored by the mainstream. Take for example Paul Saladino. Watch that podcast and tell me it’s pseudo science. You can’t because he’s meticulously citing a paper and bringing up that paper to the screen practically every five minutes. And he’s an MD. And he’s been proven right by CAC score. And he’s planning an angiogram which if it comes out clean will be incontrovertible… he was right. It annoys me that people want to shut down joe rogan for harmless speculation he makes. If you think of Galileo and his conflict with the church, he’s very much like a joe rogan guest. Has a controversial but correct scientific insight, clashes with authority and the old dogma. There’s definitely been a handful of people like that. The MAPS guy comes to mind. His vindication was massive and joe rogans contribution to that was probably not insignificant.
- vernie 5y agoAnd we can't forget about Rogan's thought-provoking segment with the DN guy.
- landonxjames 5y agoI came across a very thorough analysis of the Paul Saladino episode [0] the other day when I was researching him after a friend recommended his book. Seemed like he was cherry picking evidence pretty hard and that the majority of the evidence doesn't agree with his stance at all [0] https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/paul-saladino-on-joe-rogan-experience-hype-vs-evidence/ https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/paul-saladino-on-...
- dota_fanatic 5y agoWas going to link this exact article, but you beat me to it. :) My biggest problem with Saladino's episode was that early in it became clear that he is a zealot, and almost by definition zealots are rarely generally "right" or "not pseudoscience" as GP claims in this specific case. Especially when their object of zealotry is an extremely complex field that we're only just beginning to understand. It's difficult to trust anything a zealot says. I surely don't have time to dig into all the ways in which they're using the "science" to support their perspective.
- 99_00 5y ago>acting like we know what's up better than the CDC Bill Burr is a comedian. He's telling a joke. A joke something someone says to cause amusement and and laughter. Everyone should question and seek information on issues they care about.
- victor9000 5y agoThe problem people have with Joe Rogan, and everyone else like him, is that they're spreading misinformation without having an ounce of education in the subject at hand. People should be listening to the CDC, the FDA, getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and washing their hands. That is best solution we have to the problem, end of story. No amount of agreeable platitudes will make any difference if this disease continues to mutate among the unvaccinated population. Arm chair commentators are not more capable at understanding virology and immunology than the CDC, and their beliefs are completely irrelevant when it comes to fighting this disease.
- pandeiro 5y agoThe State is always benevolent and we should always believe and do everything they say. End of story.
- techrat 5y agoFalse dichotomy. You're not going to enable an honest debate by going straight to fallacies.
- ipaddr 5y agoThe best solution is not a vaccine that works for a few months requiring multiple booster shots meanwhile the rest of the world cannot get enough for one shot. And then allowing the rest of the world to fly in. Putting all your faith in the CDC and choosing not to allow yourself to form your own opinions is an interesting strategy. It absolves you of any responsibility. Do you vote? Choosing someone to make decisions on things you are not an expert on would seem like a huge responsibility you wouldn't be qualified for. Do you leave those decisions for others?
- victor9000 5y agoThat's the thing, opinions are not science. No amount of bike-shedding will be useful in this situation. Your "own research" does not outweigh the clinical trials that have gone into developing these vaccines.
- ErikVandeWater 5y agoThe CDC has been an embarrassment. No emphasis on protecting the most vulnerable.
- atlgator 5y agoThe shtick is not limited to covid matters either. Most of his non-MMA takes start with him not saying he's an expert followed by a very naïve and unnuanced summation of a problem. Lex Fridman does the same thing for non-robotics/AI issues.
- AzzieElbab 5y agoI clicked that yt link and saw two friends with sense of humor busting each others balls. ppl are reading too much into things
- trompetenaccoun 5y agoI don't care about Rogan but that's an argument from authority and he avoids answering what he knows/thinks. Using his same logic, you would have to immediately dismiss anything he says regarding this because he's a comedian, not an expert in epistemology and natural science. It's a self-refuting idea, one would have to be a religious believer in the CDC to fall for that.
- refurb 5y ago“Stop worshiping the comedian I don’t worship!”
- samstave 5y agoI don't agree with you guys at all. I like Joe a lot - but I do not always agree with him, nor his guests - but here is why he is one of the best interviewers I have witnessed: He doesnt talk over his guests - he never pontificates to them, and lets them have their piece... Additionally - he is actually really well read, and has a great memory and can recall how things he had read in the past relate to the conversations at hand. You put joe rogan up against literally any television "interviewer" in the history of television, and you will see they are all hacks. Soundbyte driven hacks. Ill take joe over ANYONE on television today. Also - there are far too many podcasts, and its great to have very interesting people on his show - where they talk openly about anything for 3 hours. as opposed to a 1 minute sound byte on complex world affairs where reporters are interviewing reporters about what some other reporter said and then claiming that "experts" "officials" and "sources close to the matter" say... and then every single person on their cast is "Senior correspondent this or that" - with zero creds shown as to why they are senior... News is FAKE. At least the interviews on JRE are uncut, there is only ONE other staff member in the room whos only job is to switch cams and look up something if either the guest or joe have doubts about what they are saying. I find it funny how people can bitch about someone if there is something they dont agree with, as if one must have a 100% ideological map to anything they watch/see/listen to or else its all 100% fake.