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The wild pizzas of southern Italy
- mrlonglong 5y agoAfter seeing the rather click-baity title, I've now got visions of seeing wild pizzas roaming the plains of Italy waiting to be plucked.
- peanut_worm 5y agoI don’t think that qualifies as click bait lol
- klyrs 5y agoA sufficiently pedantic reading of any headline will reveal that it does not capture the nuance writ plain in the linked article. (except when the title is the full contents of a solitary linked tweet)
- yifanl 5y agoArguably, even that can be construed as clickbait since it hides the metadata that the full article is the full article ;)
- klyrs 5y agoUpon review of my tautology, I've realized that some might interpret the existence of a headline as an indication that there's something of more substance behind the headline. I deduce that all headlines are clickbait.
- blakesterz 5y agoThat headline reminded me of the old BBC prank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVo_wkxH9dU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVo_wkxH9dU The spaghetti tree hoax is a famous 3-minute hoax report broadcast on April Fools' Day 1957 by the BBC current affairs programme Panorama. It told a tale of a family in southern Switzerland harvesting spaghetti from the fictitious spaghetti tree, broadcast at a time when this Italian dish was not widely eaten in the UK and some Britons were unaware that spaghetti is a pasta made from wheat flour and water. Hundreds of viewers phoned into the BBC, either to say the story was not true, or wondering about it, with some even asking how to grow their own spaghetti trees. Decades later CNN called this broadcast "the biggest hoax that any reputable news establishment ever pulled." Or the Pizza Farm from Funny or Die! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0weSjPKi4cs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0weSjPKi4cs
- KineticLensman 5y agoThe Guardian had a similar April fool about the island of San Serriffe [0], “a small archipelago, its main islands grouped roughly in the shape of a semicolon, in the Indian Ocean”, which was apparently celebrating 10 years of independence. But coming back to roaming Pizzas. Another anecdotal food myth (in the UK) is the haggis that roam the Scottish highlands. They allegedly have shorter legs on one side so that it is easer to go round and round the hills. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/gnmeducationcentre/archive-educational-resource-april-2012 https://www.theguardian.com/gnmeducationcentre/archive-educa...
- jfk13 5y agoHey, San Serriffe is not to be taken lightly. It even has a central bank; you can check the current balances here: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/boss.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/boss.html
- dspillett 5y agoOr the episode of the original Dangermouse where herds of bagpipe were stolen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4JOPb20l0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4JOPb20l0
- legerdemain 5y agoDo not feed the house hippo: https://youtu.be/NBfi8OEz0rA https://youtu.be/NBfi8OEz0rA
- fanf2 5y agoThere are even restaurants called “Spaghetti Tree” named after this ancient joke
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- jaclaz 5y agoAnd they are not anyway pizzas (unless you stretch the definition of pizza to "anything that has a layer of bread at the bottom"). Not so casually the only actual pizza in the list is the one that is called pizza (pizza al taglio[1]) all the others are different specialities that may (or may not) be overall similar to a pizza. In Italy there are tens or hundreds of regional variations of "focaccie" (that are not pizza) or similar "bread with something", the traditional diets all revolve around bread or pasta (i.e. flour+water), (olive) oil, vegetables and cheese, i.e. the most economical ingredients, more or less always the same and people had centuries to invent variations on the same theme. [1] which is common enough, literally "pizza for cut", it is actually a "normal" pizza cooked in largish rectangular pans that is sold in rectangular slices.
- detritus 5y agoDunno - my Italian partner refers to fresh thick focaccia when we're in Italy as 'pizza', so I think there's a little missing from the translation into English. Suffice to say, I think Italians have a wee bit more of a right to define the word than I do.
- occamrazor 5y agoIn some parts of central Italy, including Rome, the soft focaccia is called _pizza bianca_ (white pizza) and it’s eaten as-is or sliced in half and filled with charcuterie, typically mortadella. Source: am Italian too.
- mrlonglong 5y agoAre pepperoni pizzas valid dishes?
- jaclaz 5y agoWhat do you mean by "valid"?
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- bpierre 5y agohttps://archive.is/k5rfX https://archive.is/k5rfX
- morpheos137 5y agothe most incredible thing to me about Italian cruisine is the fact that the tomato is not even native to Italy.
- progre 5y agoTomatoes have been grown in Italy since at least 1550, plenty of time to be firmly accepted in the food culture. Edit: Come to think about it, tomatoes in Italy have existed longer than Italy itself.
- dspillett 5y agoThey'll be claiming fish & chips isn't an English dish next!
- rat87 5y agoFried fish was originally Spanish/Portuguese possibly brought by Jewish immigrants to the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescado_frito https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescado_frito
- dspillett 5y agoAye, very few things we think as traditionally of one place actually originated there. Turns out I'd have liked the past Spanish fort as much as the more modern one works for me! (Specifically in the post above I was referring to the chip, on the basis that the potatoe "came" to England in a similar timeframe to the quote of the tomato beginning commonplace in Italy from.)
- niij 5y agoOr Curry!
- kazen44 5y agoby about 400 years at that!. (if we take into concept the first foundation of the italian state, and not its predecessors. A common heritage of the italian peninsula is ofcourse far, far older).
- Oarch 5y agoReading this while happening to be on vacation in Calabria... I accept this quest!
- contingencies 5y agoFood blog please!
- greenonions 5y agoThese sound great but are quite tame in terms of pizza. South Korea takes the idea of pizza into downright absurdity. Imagine corn, squid, blueberry, garlic, sweet potato, and mayonnaise on a single pie together.
- HanaShiratori 5y agoKorean Pizza is great! I like that they don't shy away from experimenting with food in general
- mrtksn 5y agoI recall reading the definition of the Italian Cuisine as "Cooking with whatever you have at hand" somewhere. Their stuff is good because they use top quality ingredients, it's not about some weird trick or ancient technique. They take pride in producing and obtaining the good quality ingredients and I see Italians conservatively sticking to the basics. On the other hand, in other countries where the produce quality is not exactly on the level of the ones in Italy, they tend to experiment with different techniques or ingredients. I would say that often the succeed in coming up with good combinations.
- greenonions 5y agoThis seems pretty accurate; the quality of the flour, tomatoes, and other ingredients just can't match up in Korea. There are some Korean dishes which do rely on ingredients and simplicity, thinking of a dish like mulhwae, but pizza is kind of a novelty. And if it's going to be a novelty, it might as well be a bit of a spectacal. Personally, I love exploring both sides!
- steve_adams_86 5y agoI think exploring both sides is essential. I bet pizza was the result of exploring multiple cuisines once upon a time. Exploration is why we have so many awesome foods.
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
- handrous 5y ago> There’s no tomato sauce atop the dough, no mozzarella, no onion. It’s just crushed tomato with salt, oregano, and olive oil. Looks at picture to make sure he's not misunderstanding, sees that, no, it's that What does the author think pizza sauce usually is?
- shepherdjerred 5y agothe separate ingredients are quite different from them as a sauce. you'd never call a bowl of flour, water, salt, and yeast "pizza dough".
- handrous 5y agoWell, 1) that sure looks like a tomato sauce on top of that bread, and 2) all you do to turn crushed tomato + salt + oregano into pizza sauce is stir slightly. [EDIT] I'm not trying to be a dick about this, I was just really surprised to read that description, coupled with the photo above it. "no tomato sauce" goes on to describe its toppings as exactly what one might mix to get a pizza sauce
- skrtskrt 5y agoTomato sauce also generally cooked down for hours as well, which again makes it taste way different than the ingredients being baked on fresh as-is. EDIT: see my comment on the grandparent and stop being so pedantic
- handrous 5y agoYou don't need to (pre-)cook pizza sauce, though. The thing that struck me was this article about pizza claiming that the exact things you put in pizza sauce, being practically the only things on a piece of flatbread that the article is claiming counts as a style of pizza, is compatible with the article's claim that it doesn't have tomato sauce on it. I mean, either most pizza doesn't feature tomato sauce (because pizza sauce doesn't count, for some reason), in which case why mention it, or otherwise I'm pretty sure this does too.
- mvidal01 5y agoUgly Delicious covers this subject pretty well. https://www.netflix.com/title/80170368 https://www.netflix.com/title/80170368
- elrond89 5y agoItalian here. Of those in the pictures only a couple are really considered pizza by us. Pizza must always be a dough with a raised border and something on top. Also we really care about how you cook it. Real good pizza is only cooked in a brick oven with timber, everything else is good but not real pizza (is usually lower quality)
- rst 5y agoSo, what this seems to prove is that "pizza" really is Italian for "pie", and the particular Neapolitan kind that goes by that name in English is just one of many.
- albertopv 5y agoItalian here, pizza is not italian for pie, no way.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agoIn other news: bloomberg don't understand Italian pizza. Anyway most of them are "focaccia" we use pizza to mean a lot of different things, it also means "slap in the face" in roman slang, so don't take everything literally, sometimes pizza means the same thing americans are used to, the only difference, except maybe raw materials, is that we make them of the correct size (enough to feed only one person), sometimes it's not, it's simply "pizza shaped" We also use the same Italian word used for cake to mean this, it's obviously not a cake (anglophones call them pies) and you can call it pizza as well (stuffed pizza to be precise) https://www.tavolartegusto.it/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Torta-salata-con-cicoria.jpg https://www.tavolartegusto.it/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/... they are simply baked in a cake pan