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So if you are "doing the crime" leave your electronics behind?
by literallyaduck 5y ago
So if you are "doing the crime" leave your electronics behind?
- kook_throwaway 5y agoI'm sure that most criminals know to either turn phones off or leave them behind, and if they don't they surely will if this kind if thing becomes more widespread. This seems like a system designed to ensnare innocents.
- phsau 5y agoNot all crime is premeditated and most people aren't described as criminals.
- rolph 5y agoi had an LEO [homocide] tell me that most murders are committed in a less than thinking state of mind, and solved in about 15 minutes.
- mrlonglong 5y agoWtf is "homocide" though?
- rolph 5y agoit is the key right next to homicide on the keyboard.
- jdavis703 5y agoI would assume this LEO works in a relatively low-crime area. I know that where I am most murders remain unsolved and and the shootings that I’ve witnessed appear to be premeditated.
- rolph 5y agoi have a feeling this may be related to prevalence of 'willing" witnesses.
- rolph 5y ago1] leave phone on remove battery remove sim, live life 2] insert sim insert battery turn on phone , make call/text 3] goto 1
- ineedasername 5y agoremove battery Okay, but once I'm done with the hammer, how do I get the battery back in?
- samstave 5y agoYou don't, just throw it in the fire on the homestead
- rolph 5y agoah i see you have one of the new phones, as an aside, ATT decided for me to disable my phone that had no problems and sent a phone that is now never more than three bars and usually two bars, and needs recharging daily. this phone [alcatel flip], surprisingly doesnt have the battery glued in. in the case of battery glued in you need a nonconductive shim to jam between the contacts
- tyingq 5y agoLots go unsolved in the US, and that figure is over 50% in many places. A pretty interesting story with graphics/data interleaved: https://urbanobservatory.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index.html?appid=984c0b6fbf8e48c7951e7bdcfb64d910 https://urbanobservatory.maps.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index....
- jimbob45 5y agoThat can also be used in court (e.g. “Pretty odd you just happened to turn your phone off for the first time in a decade during the exact timeframe of this crime.”). Ideally, you’d “lose” your phone a few weeks to a month before the crime and then get one afterwards.
- post_break 5y agoJust have two phones. Problem solved. Drive a vehicle without onstar or cellular connection.
- sircastor 5y agoWouldn’t the second phone put you at the scene of the crime? As an aside, working for an automotive manufacturer (my opinions are my own and doing reflect my employer, etc) I think were rapidly approaching a time when all new vehicles will have a built-in cellular connection.
- moistly 5y agoAnd remote engine kill. This will be used to prevent upset citizens from attending protests, riots, and other forms of civilian uprising.
- rolph 5y agosomeone i know bought a chevy cruze , yup cell ?phone? integrated into the console. antenna and lead, gone , circuit trace to antenna input severed and sent to ground, power lead for SOIC desoldered and given manual toggle.
- 01100011 5y agoNo. You give it to an accomplice who continues using it consistent with your typical usage patterns. That way you not only avoid a digital trail, you generate a digital alibi. I suspect in 20 years, walking down the street without a digital radio in your pocket will arouse suspicion though.
- devoutsalsa 5y agoAt some point they’d probably figure out how to use the accelerometer to fingerprint your movements. Your accomplice will almost certainly have a different profile for how the phone moves when walking. I guess you could limit accomplice activities to things like driving around.
- titzer 5y agoThe resolution is probably already there now. AI can do gait recognition based on video, and sensor traces from accelerometers are accurate enough to detect individual footsteps. Are they precise enough to recognize gait? I don't know. But they can easily distinguish between walking, jogging, running, and riding a bike.
- laurent92 5y agoiPhone is already precise enough to tell how much time you spend on the left leg, right leg and both legs down. Sure they have a walking profile.
- shakna 5y ago> Are they precise enough to recognize gait? I don't know. Yes. [0] And that's hardly the only paper on achieving the technique. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25423662/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25423662/
- cm2187 5y agoAnd that assumes no CCTV (which will sooner or later be 4k).
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- mongol 5y agoIf my phone was stuck in the same place an entire day, that would be really suspicious.
- akersten 5y agoOn the other hand for those of us who relax at home over the weekend, that would be entirely normal. I hope leisure without a digital tether isn't so unheard of that it becomes suspicious automatically.
- loeg 5y agoYou've never spent a day at home?
- 8note 5y agoI lose my phone in my house every so often.
- vmception 5y agoI’ve posted about having a phone walker service A courier or ride share driver can have an additional service that fairies phones around and pollutes location data. Maybe even charge the phones too
- beardyw 5y agoSince most location data is based on WiFi stations it should be possible to record that data and play it back to the phone in the comfort of wherever you are. Possibly GPS too, though probably an order of magnitude more complex to achieve.
- AshamedCaptain 5y agoIn a rather well-known murder case in Spain, they made a detention based on the fact the suspect had turn off his phone around the time of the crime.
- judge2020 5y agoHave a link? Surely no justice system only uses that evidence, but it could indeed be supporting evidence.
- AshamedCaptain 5y agoI think it was this case, but I'm not 100% sure. I saw it discussed on a group... https://www.antena3.com/noticias/sociedad/pederasta-ciudad-lineal-aprendio-dejo-inactivo-telefono-movil-dos-ultimas-violaciones_20161021580a104b0cf2d6cc9cb59a74.html https://www.antena3.com/noticias/sociedad/pederasta-ciudad-l...