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Those editors aren't really part of the conversation anymore. I would say they were maybe over 12 years ago. Not so nowadays. People are referring to SublimeTe

Those editors aren't really part of the conversation anymore. I would say they were maybe over 12 years ago. Not so nowadays. People are referring to SublimeText, Vim, Emacs, VSCode as Programming Text editors. VSCode is currently the most popular with vim as purist second and Emacs for "elite" hackers.

orwin 5y ago
I'm really just asking, do you think VSCode is a text editor? I used to put it in the same categories as IDE (and thought that it was really better than Netbeans and Eclipse)
- deltasixeight 5y ago
  The lines have blurred. I would put it more in the editor category. You really need to download plugins for it to come close to an IDE and it's not as feature complete as say pycharm or Clion. I would say VSCode is more in the code editor category, but as I said before the lines are blurring. With enough plugins and configuration even vim and emacs can straddle that line. In general IDE's tend to have more features less bugs, and have all of these features out of the box.
  - jeffterns8 5y ago
    That's just confusing big-brand mature IDE suites as the definition for IDE though. Any dev working on an actual project is going to be using those tools with plugins/extensions, configured as an IDE. A dev would require completely separate tools that provide that functionality to say otherwise.
    - deltasixeight 5y ago
      No it's not. "Big branded" IDE's are actually more feature complete in terms of intellisense and auto complete and auto formatting when compared to "code editors" that are fully loaded with plugins. They usually achieve much better integration with the projects and this is not including the side features like remote development or database browsers. VSCode comes close to an IDE much closer than vim or emacs when fully loaded on plugins but even in this case jetbrains edges them out.
jeffterns8 5y ago
The "programming text editors"/"code editors" of now that are used in place of traditional IDEs are practically always extended to, by definition, being an IDE, albeit a leaner, more custom-fit one.
- deltasixeight 5y ago
  naw, despite this there is a noticeable lack of features from the "code editors" side. So much so that the definitions have evolved but the distinction remains.

orwin 5y ago

I'm really just asking, do you think VSCode is a text editor? I used to put it in the same categories as IDE (and thought that it was really better than Netbeans and Eclipse)

deltasixeight 5y ago
The lines have blurred. I would put it more in the editor category. You really need to download plugins for it to come close to an IDE and it's not as feature complete as say pycharm or Clion. I would say VSCode is more in the code editor category, but as I said before the lines are blurring. With enough plugins and configuration even vim and emacs can straddle that line. In general IDE's tend to have more features less bugs, and have all of these features out of the box.
- jeffterns8 5y ago
  That's just confusing big-brand mature IDE suites as the definition for IDE though. Any dev working on an actual project is going to be using those tools with plugins/extensions, configured as an IDE. A dev would require completely separate tools that provide that functionality to say otherwise.
  - deltasixeight 5y ago
    No it's not. "Big branded" IDE's are actually more feature complete in terms of intellisense and auto complete and auto formatting when compared to "code editors" that are fully loaded with plugins. They usually achieve much better integration with the projects and this is not including the side features like remote development or database browsers. VSCode comes close to an IDE much closer than vim or emacs when fully loaded on plugins but even in this case jetbrains edges them out.

jeffterns8 5y ago

The "programming text editors"/"code editors" of now that are used in place of traditional IDEs are practically always extended to, by definition, being an IDE, albeit a leaner, more custom-fit one.

deltasixeight 5y ago
naw, despite this there is a noticeable lack of features from the "code editors" side. So much so that the definitions have evolved but the distinction remains.