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They're not actively scanning your phone, they're actively scanning files you send them.

by biesnecker 5y ago

endisneigh 5y ago
That’s the same as what Apple is going to do - scan right before sending to iCloud
- danuker 5y ago
  The scanning on the device before the upload makes it easier to do surveillance.
- WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
  The same as what Apple is saying it's going to do, there's a difference.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this. I don't really get it. Either you trusted Apple before this and you continue to, or you didn't before, and continue not to. If it's the later, then you shouldn't be using Apple services.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
      > If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this. Not without the risk of it being discovered (either through a leak or because someone analyzes the software on the phone), and then having a much bigger scandal on hand.
  - knodi123 5y ago
    Man, wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature to commit these horrible secret privacy violations with deeply evil ethical problems? You don't even have to implement the feature. All you need is really good proof that you were asked to, and now your job at Apple is secure, along with a huge raise, for years if not for life. Something commensurate with what you and they both know they would lose in the PR damage and possible EU fines.
    - vineyardmike 5y ago
      > possible EU fines Until the EU makes it a legal requirement. Which they're getting close to
    - vineyardmike 5y ago
      > wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature Also, they'd probably not use a Cupertino developer. I'm sure a dev in a nation with a lot less rights is easier for this sort of work. Find a nation where the protections for employees are worse and good jobs harder to find.
KallDrexx 5y ago
That's not actually answering the question in the GP about why this is different. Photos people send me to my Android are automatically sent through 3rd parties, either through MMS, Facebook messenger, Google Photos, or One Drive. Photos arriving on my device are almost guaranteed to be uploaded to both OneDrive and Google Photos based on how defaults of Android phones are setup. So someone could already send hash collisions my way (purposely or inadvertently) and authoritarian governments already have access in their respective clouds (at least China does). And yet, there are not stories of people being falsely accused of child porn due to PhotoDNA hash collisions. Why does "on device for apple devices only" change the calculus.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Why waste a resource like that and throw them in prison when you have compromising material? That would be stupid. Epstein was probably a high society pimp and there probably was enough evidence for convictions. That wouldn't have happened if it didn't get public.

They're not actively scanning your phone, they're actively scanning files you send them.

endisneigh 5y ago

That’s the same as what Apple is going to do - scan right before sending to iCloud

danuker 5y ago
The scanning on the device before the upload makes it easier to do surveillance.
WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
The same as what Apple is saying it's going to do, there's a difference.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this. I don't really get it. Either you trusted Apple before this and you continue to, or you didn't before, and continue not to. If it's the later, then you shouldn't be using Apple services.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    > If you don't trust Apple then they could've already done what you're concerned about before they announced this. Not without the risk of it being discovered (either through a leak or because someone analyzes the software on the phone), and then having a much bigger scandal on hand.
- knodi123 5y ago
  Man, wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature to commit these horrible secret privacy violations with deeply evil ethical problems? You don't even have to implement the feature. All you need is really good proof that you were asked to, and now your job at Apple is secure, along with a huge raise, for years if not for life. Something commensurate with what you and they both know they would lose in the PR damage and possible EU fines.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > possible EU fines Until the EU makes it a legal requirement. Which they're getting close to
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > wouldn't you love to be the developer who gets assigned the feature Also, they'd probably not use a Cupertino developer. I'm sure a dev in a nation with a lot less rights is easier for this sort of work. Find a nation where the protections for employees are worse and good jobs harder to find.

KallDrexx 5y ago

That's not actually answering the question in the GP about why this is different. Photos people send me to my Android are automatically sent through 3rd parties, either through MMS, Facebook messenger, Google Photos, or One Drive. Photos arriving on my device are almost guaranteed to be uploaded to both OneDrive and Google Photos based on how defaults of Android phones are setup. So someone could already send hash collisions my way (purposely or inadvertently) and authoritarian governments already have access in their respective clouds (at least China does). And yet, there are not stories of people being falsely accused of child porn due to PhotoDNA hash collisions. Why does "on device for apple devices only" change the calculus.

raxxorrax 5y ago
Why waste a resource like that and throw them in prison when you have compromising material? That would be stupid. Epstein was probably a high society pimp and there probably was enough evidence for convictions. That wouldn't have happened if it didn't get public.