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This discussion is also in the news today in the Netherlands with regards to our own involvement there. Some translators have been evacuated, some have not yet

This discussion is also in the news today in the Netherlands with regards to our own involvement there. Some translators have been evacuated, some have not yet been picked up. And apparently there are others that weren't local translators but that did support the military there (e.g. as drivers or suppliers) and are at risk. That last group hasn't been saved yet and it's unclear whether something has been arranged.

lordnacho 5y ago
This wavering with helping our friends will surely have an effect on our chances of making friends in the future. It's quite frankly dishonourable to leave them in the lurch like is happening. I do appreciate the advance has been swift but it should not have been hard to simply put everyone on a plane and process their claims someplace less dangerous.
- christophilus 5y ago
  We did the same to the south Vietnamese. Disgraceful. I really feel bad for any Afghanis who aided the US.
pwdisswordfish0 5y ago
This is a topic in Germany as well. Apparently it’s some kind of bureaucratic nightmare to apply for help. Insanely shameful.
hef19898 5y ago
Same in Germany. I wonder how one can be naive enough, read government and armed forces, to a) say you gonna retreat by date X b) say local helpers will get the opportunity to get to your home country c) organise your troop withdrawal, without any thoughts on how fast the Taliban will take over d) pull your troops, sans local support staff and their families, out. Be surprised that your locals are now stuck e) expect that next time your army goes somewhere you'll still find reliable local help How difficult would it have been to evacuate your supporting locals along your troops before the country is taken over by your opponent. But then the German Army is unable to tell how many soldiers the deployed there since the war started... Mark me surprised, I am way beyond being shocked by stuff like that so.
- t0mas88 5y ago
  I'm of the opinion that the German or Dutch army probably isn't as incompetent as half the population thinks compared to the US. It's just that the US has a much more "thank you for your service" culture than the "what an idiots" attitude the Germans and Dutch (and UK?) have to our armies. Not sure how the French do with this?

lordnacho 5y ago

This wavering with helping our friends will surely have an effect on our chances of making friends in the future. It's quite frankly dishonourable to leave them in the lurch like is happening. I do appreciate the advance has been swift but it should not have been hard to simply put everyone on a plane and process their claims someplace less dangerous.

christophilus 5y ago
We did the same to the south Vietnamese. Disgraceful. I really feel bad for any Afghanis who aided the US.

pwdisswordfish0 5y ago

This is a topic in Germany as well. Apparently it’s some kind of bureaucratic nightmare to apply for help. Insanely shameful.

hef19898 5y ago

Same in Germany. I wonder how one can be naive enough, read government and armed forces, to a) say you gonna retreat by date X b) say local helpers will get the opportunity to get to your home country c) organise your troop withdrawal, without any thoughts on how fast the Taliban will take over d) pull your troops, sans local support staff and their families, out. Be surprised that your locals are now stuck e) expect that next time your army goes somewhere you'll still find reliable local help How difficult would it have been to evacuate your supporting locals along your troops before the country is taken over by your opponent. But then the German Army is unable to tell how many soldiers the deployed there since the war started... Mark me surprised, I am way beyond being shocked by stuff like that so.

t0mas88 5y ago
I'm of the opinion that the German or Dutch army probably isn't as incompetent as half the population thinks compared to the US. It's just that the US has a much more "thank you for your service" culture than the "what an idiots" attitude the Germans and Dutch (and UK?) have to our armies. Not sure how the French do with this?