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Nailed it. No government shouldn't play a role in deciding what speech is acceptable.

by pyronik19 5y ago

crazy_horse 5y ago
Do you believe it has any role in this?
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  It’s likely government pressure played a role here, yes. The source doesn’t mention this, but it’s illegal to say racist things in the UK and people are being prosecuted for the incident in question. (https://apnews.com/article/euro-2020-soccer-sports-arrests-health-8741821389c53347067d2a5943858add https://apnews.com/article/euro-2020-soccer-sports-arrests-h...)
ngcazz 5y ago
This isn't about governments anyway, but if we're going to go that way, the government should protect its citizens, especially those from marginalized communities.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Those marginalized communities overwhelmingly don't want government or corporate regulation. No minority wants that because oppinions allowed would always need to conform to the current Zeitgeist, obviously. You are talking about fringe opinions being regulated.
mountainb 5y ago
There are many countries in which it is completely within the government's purview to regulate speech, including the United States. Companies like Twitter are finding themselves in an impossible situation in which their legal safe harbors are not sustainable because of the compliance overhead of operating in so many jurisdictions at the same time. Instead they just try to implement a one-size-fits-all global authoritarian standard on everyone to attempt to continue their liability dodges in each and every jurisdiction their service is available. In practice it means the entire network has to abide by the laws of the jurisdictions with the harshest speech codes. So, right, Twitter began with a perspective that the American constitutional principle of free speech is great, and that it should be spread everywhere. Now the imperial soft-power avenue of approach moves in reverse, in which Americans are going to be asked to comply with Continental standards of permissible speech.

Nailed it. No government shouldn't play a role in deciding what speech is acceptable.

crazy_horse 5y ago

Do you believe it has any role in this?

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
It’s likely government pressure played a role here, yes. The source doesn’t mention this, but it’s illegal to say racist things in the UK and people are being prosecuted for the incident in question. (https://apnews.com/article/euro-2020-soccer-sports-arrests-health-8741821389c53347067d2a5943858add https://apnews.com/article/euro-2020-soccer-sports-arrests-h...)

ngcazz 5y ago

This isn't about governments anyway, but if we're going to go that way, the government should protect its citizens, especially those from marginalized communities.

raxxorrax 5y ago
Those marginalized communities overwhelmingly don't want government or corporate regulation. No minority wants that because oppinions allowed would always need to conform to the current Zeitgeist, obviously. You are talking about fringe opinions being regulated.

mountainb 5y ago

There are many countries in which it is completely within the government's purview to regulate speech, including the United States. Companies like Twitter are finding themselves in an impossible situation in which their legal safe harbors are not sustainable because of the compliance overhead of operating in so many jurisdictions at the same time. Instead they just try to implement a one-size-fits-all global authoritarian standard on everyone to attempt to continue their liability dodges in each and every jurisdiction their service is available. In practice it means the entire network has to abide by the laws of the jurisdictions with the harshest speech codes. So, right, Twitter began with a perspective that the American constitutional principle of free speech is great, and that it should be spread everywhere. Now the imperial soft-power avenue of approach moves in reverse, in which Americans are going to be asked to comply with Continental standards of permissible speech.