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The American diversity meat grinder

102 points by mpweiher 5y ago

ursugardaddy 5y ago
large corporations are the least american thing in american society
omegaworks 5y ago
>The contrast is even sharper if you consider the equity that various social justice movements seek to achieve, whereby every sub-segment of society (at least those we fixate on) must be proportionally represented at every echelon of society. This is a false premise. Not all social justice movements are concerned purely with representation. The overarching response of existing power to the varied material and structural asks (like police funding reallocation, decarceration, housing and healthcare access) has been to flatten them as such. You can tell the movements co-opted by corporations and major political parties by the extent to which they ignore material conditions. >The equality of outcome pursued by ‘wokeness’ is a whole other bar to reach from mere equality of rights or opportunity. "Equality of outcome" is another disingenuous misrepresentation of what activists want. Activists want structural change, not superficial papering over of abuses of power that have been inflicted on their communities. These are unfortunately elements that this author included that really take away from the reasonable critique of the ranking and hiring system that he is subjected to as a laborer working in a modern technology company. Perhaps he needed to start with that in order to get the outrage machine sharing his article.
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  > Activists want structural change ... which always seems to take a form strikingly similar to communism.
  - trhway 5y ago
    that is the current limitation of human logical brain - whatever good looking small social/economical improvement is stretched, in real life or just as an idea, well beyond its original context it always ends up looking like communism. Situation somewhat similar to physics - great Newton mechanics taken well beyond its original context of slow velocities ends up being a completely false theory. Wrt. the OP though - couple years ago when i checked the Google's racial make-up did very well match the racial make-up of the SAT above ~1450. A recent anecdote - a Russian guy filling new hire paperwork in a US company checked completely different box than "Caucasian" just for fun, and when round eyed HR challenged him on it his response was "Sorry, we weren't taught how to correctly divide people by race", and the HR backed off.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  > Activists want structural change, not a superficial papering over of the abuse of power that has been inflicted on their communities. What is the reason for the structural change though? Because mostly I see it just to fit an ideology of "how things should be", with not much thought beyond that. I agree that many of the current systems are horribly broken, but I don't think that critical race theory or other Marxist-founded systems put us in a better place. They certainly don't have a track record of success, and I'd argue that even in their limited application in the US their effects on the general population, and their effect on perception and treatment of minorities, has been largely detrimental against their own claimed goals of equality.
eplanit 5y ago
The Diversity agenda of the past 20+ years has created more racism and division than I witnessed in my entire life before then. I have come to conclude that it's one of the most misguided movements in modern history. We were making progress (seemingly too slow, I know) by applying Dr. King's prescription for Color Blindness. But, that concept has been rejected (though his name is still used in honor); and sure enough, we've slid horribly backwards.
- at_a_remove 5y ago
  Now, your race and sex matter more than ever. But consider all of the little slights of hand performed. I recall the unhappy Tweets from feminists when women were considered for the draft, mostly around the theme of "this isn't the equality I wanted." Equality is the whole package, it isn't a pick and choose. It isn't "only the good stuff." And then the shift has been to equity now. You have probably noticed this.
  - eplanit 5y ago
    Yes. And, for women the insanity is mind-blowing. Now, being a "woman" is a state of mind and simply a matter of choice -- i.e. it's a meaningless "construct". We spent decades _rightfully_ learning to recognize and respect our differences, in terms of recognizing equal rights. But now, boom that's just bullshit, I guess. But, that's me who's amazed by this. I'd be more interested in the the opinion of women (biological females) on this recent phenomenon.
    - horrified 5y ago
      Funny how feminism often ends up removing female privileges.
- enkid 5y ago
  MLK was against what people today call colorblindness. Just because he said he wanted people to not judge his children by the color of their skin does not mean he didn't recognize that modern society does and will continue to do so, so we need to put in place compensating measures. Using a dead person's words in the exact opposite way they were intended is bad. https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinseale/2020/01/20/mlks-i-have-a-dream-speech-and-rejecting-colorblindness-for-todays-children/?sh=52e380ad2708 https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinseale/2020/01/20/mlks-i-ha...
fennecfoxen 5y ago
The reason for all this is pretty simple, when you get down to it. Corporations want to look good with regards to quote-"diversity" much more than they actually want diversity. Pandering to the stereotypical caricatures of diversity is far more rewarding, both in the C-suite and on the modern university campus. Real diversity is a nice-to-have, sure — it's not all cynical pretense — but quote-"diversity" will mean good press, more status, and ward off certain critics.
- president 5y ago
  Maybe, but why are these companies spending billions of dollars on diversity consultants and hiring Chief Diversity Officers when you could literally just tell your existing HR staff to boost diversity hires? It's not exactly rocket science. Something is really fishy here. EDIT: Keep downvoting me guys. I'm saving screenshots of all of this to show how flawed the state of discourse is on this site. To the mods, something is systemically wrong when an innocuous statement made in good faith can be downvoted.
  - 1MachineElf 5y ago
    >why are these companies spending billions of dollars on diversity consultants Are they really spending that much? I'm out of the loop on this. Any and all such consultants I typically hear about are ones who have had some falling-out on Twitter. If consultants are resigning left and right, it can't be that much money, can it? Really billions?
anonleb4 5y ago
I never understood the logic of American companies asking to fill up your "race". Isn't it a tool of racism itself to do such things.
- doit4thebitties 5y ago
  The doublespeak of wokeness glossary: Sexist - Discrimination against anyone except a cis straight man. That means requiring half of company board members to be women is not sexist because only men are disempowered. Feminism is also not sexist even if it blindly advances all causes of and for women at any cost because the ends justify the means. Racist - Discrimination against anyone not White, or not Asian as applied to academics. SCOTUS condones Harvard's selection process that advances skin-color over merit. The worst demographic to be right now is a cis straight older white man. The suicide rates, diseases, conditions, and addictions of despair for this demographic are off the charts.
horrified 5y ago
Do Indians also count as Asians in those statistics (like 40% of Google)?
- anonleb4 5y ago
  Americans have this weird definition where Asian only equates with East Asia... don't ask why, it makes no sense to even have to fill this on paper.
  - cyberpsybin 5y ago
    They define "Asians" by race and looks. Typical.
    - commandlinefan 5y ago
      Well, that's not necessarily an American thing. For a long time, the race that's currently described as "asian" was called "oriental" and specifically referred to that race. For some reason, the more specific term "oriental" fell out of favor (and is even considered offensive now, although I'm not quite sure why) and was replaced with the more generic, and somewhat confusing, "asian".
  - kesava 5y ago
    "Asians" doesnt mean much, if it has to mean someone from the continent of Asia, given 60% of world population is from Asia.
    - anonleb4 5y ago
      Sweden includes all people from the Asian continent as Asians in their stats.
  - mayli 5y ago
    Americans has this weird definition of "Americans".
- commandlinefan 5y ago
alistairSH 5y ago
That's all very rant-y. I'm not sure I quite grok the author's thesis here. But, for the sake of debate... "The reality is that Silicon Valley is one of the most open and diverse industries in the United States." Ok, that might be true, but the supplied graph doesn't exactly support the statement. Blacks make up 13% of the population, but <5% of Google employees in the US. Similarly, Latino/Latinas make up 18% of the population and <7% of Google employees. Drilling into the chart (leads to a Google-owned site), the workforce is 32% female vs ~51% population. Yeah, there are a lot of Asians (from many countries and ethnic backgrounds) in STEM. That doesn't prove that there isn't a lack of opportunity for US-born minorities (or even some majorities, as we see with women). So, yeah, tech companies might be better than others, but the author didn't provide anything to back that assertion. I also take issue with his statement that 365 reviews are a near-universal in STEM. They aren't. I've never had one done on myself, and have only ever participated in 2-3 (all of which involved a manager, not an IC, who was failing and eventually exited). I believe most of my peers would report a similar experience. I'm also not sure what these have to do with diversity in the workplace.
- bruceb 5y ago
  Go to nearly any university and look who is in the computer science classes.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  What is the purpose of having a company's demographics represent the country? What if certain ethnic groups focus more on sports, or biology, or being lawyers or doctors, or they skip the whole college ripoff and go to a trade school. Do they still need equal representation in tech? Do we just want equally smart people, or do we want people who also are motivated to work on tech, due to their cultural values? What about the individuals themselves? What if we ignore the color of their skin for a moment and try to find diversity in peoples' experiences, backgrounds etc. I feel these anti-racism movements do more to further cement race as an important component of identity into peoples' minds than anything else these days.
  - mattzito 5y ago
gengelbro 5y ago
I was told, directly to my face by the hiring manager after presumably doing well during a FANG interview: "Why does it always have to be a white guy with a beard". I did take the job, but I've reflected on that moment once in a while.
- Cyberthal 5y ago
  Sounds like the corporate DNA finds your ethnic DNA deplorably delectable.
muzster 5y ago
It would be interesting to see how diverse each of the diversity groups are - for example, breakdown of Indians by caste.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Or even more telling... the breakdown of Indians by religion.
cwkoss 5y ago
I think meaning of the term diversity is often twisted into a binary outcome. If a company is 65% white and 35% Chinese is that more diverse than a company that is 70% white, 10% Chinese, 10% Indian, and 10% Vietnamese? Often, the above two examples would be flattened to just 35% or 30% Asian. But even my example is very reductive - China, for example, has many dozens of ethnic groups. I think 'diversity' is a very hard thing to quantify, which makes it more difficult to measure the effectiveness of initiatives to increase diversity. Can anyone point me towards better methods of measuring diversity? If society or a particular organization wishes to increase diversity, it seems important to be able to measure it with more nuance. What would an ideal algorithm for quantifying diversity look like?
- iammisc 5y ago
  It also ignores the most important diversity, which is diversity of thought. Having ten employees of ten different races who all think the same is hardly diversity. EDIT: Getting downvoted by the 'diversity' crowd I see :)
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    The irony of Corporate America's diversity programs is that they appreciate diversity of thought except for those that disagree with them. Then, they suddenly don't care about you and your thoughts.
  - version_five 5y ago
    In my corporate experience, I have only seen people care about diversity based on irrelevant characteristics (race, gender, etc). Nobody wants diversity of thought. An example that I expect will get me in trouble: when a woman exhibits traditionally masculine characteristics at work - assertiveness etc, it can get looked at badly. And people say "oh well if a man did that, it would be ok", and use it as an example of sexism. I like working with women, and I reject any notion of stereotypes about how a woman should act, but a woman acting the same as the other male douchebags doesn't add any diversity, she's just another annoying person I have to manage. I'd rather have someone bring a unique and different temperament to work, which could even include being helpful and caring instead of combative with a chip on their shoulder. So maybe if people want to be valued for the diversity of their contributions, they should actually act "diverse" and not conform to the lowest common denominator of corporate behavior.
Causality1 5y ago
Jews for a long time now have been functionally white It's a Schrodinger's white guy situation, often even to themselves. I've seen the same person claim to be both white and not white in different times and contexts. I wonder if Irish and Italian people went through a similar period on their way to whiteness and we just don't know about it because no one was listening.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Well, i'm indian, and I was told by a college professor in a history of immigration class that I am white because I believe in things like hard-work to better my family's situation, education, etc. The book he had us read was all about how different races got 'whitened', and he was convinced Indians are being 'whitened'. Let's just sit here and consider for a minute the inherent racism in referring to anyone being rich as having the quality of 'being white'.
  - colpabar 5y ago
    > Let's just sit here and consider for a minute the inherent racism in referring to anyone being rich as having the quality of 'being white'. I guess you never saw this. https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333 https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rationa...
    - iammisc 5y ago
      Oh I did... and rolled my eyes.
    - Causality1 5y ago
      "Hard work is internalized racism" might be the most 2020s sentence I've ever read.
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  Yea, actually there are plenty of books and papers about it.
tines 5y ago
> Liberalism announces ‘one person, one vote’ and ‘equality before the law’, and yet somehow the children of the wealthy have a plusher time on Christmas morning than those of the very poor (not to mention most other days of their lives). I'm not sure I see the "and yet" conflict here; equality before the law and one person, one vote don't have anything to do with money. In fact, the big deal about these two ideas is that they completely ignore how much money you have. Maybe someone can explain to me what the author means here.
cratermoon 5y ago
Antonio García Martínez, folks: - https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-hiring-antonio-garcia-martinez-chaos-monkeys-facebook https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h... - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/05/13/apple-parts-ways-with-exec-who-wrote-women-are-soft-and-weak/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/05/13/apple-pa...
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doit4thebitties 5y ago
"Diversity" is an idealistic mirage like Communism. It sounds great until you throw away common-sense like merit.
TheTester 5y ago
Why did this get flagged honestly while I do not agree and while I was expecting a different thing given the title, it makes a bunch of good points and I say this as a Hispanic guy in an industry that does not look like him usually. Are long gone the days of actually hacking nuanced discussions of complex topics in hackernews?

102 points by mpweiher 5y ago

large corporations are the least american thing in american society

>The contrast is even sharper if you consider the equity that various social justice movements seek to achieve, whereby every sub-segment of society (at least those we fixate on) must be proportionally represented at every echelon of society. This is a false premise. Not all social justice movements are concerned purely with representation. The overarching response of existing power to the varied material and structural asks (like police funding reallocation, decarceration, housing and healthcare access) has been to flatten them as such. You can tell the movements co-opted by corporations and major political parties by the extent to which they ignore material conditions. >The equality of outcome pursued by ‘wokeness’ is a whole other bar to reach from mere equality of rights or opportunity. "Equality of outcome" is another disingenuous misrepresentation of what activists want. Activists want structural change, not superficial papering over of abuses of power that have been inflicted on their communities. These are unfortunately elements that this author included that really take away from the reasonable critique of the ranking and hiring system that he is subjected to as a laborer working in a modern technology company. Perhaps he needed to start with that in order to get the outrage machine sharing his article.

commandlinefan 5y ago
> Activists want structural change ... which always seems to take a form strikingly similar to communism.
- trhway 5y ago
  that is the current limitation of human logical brain - whatever good looking small social/economical improvement is stretched, in real life or just as an idea, well beyond its original context it always ends up looking like communism. Situation somewhat similar to physics - great Newton mechanics taken well beyond its original context of slow velocities ends up being a completely false theory. Wrt. the OP though - couple years ago when i checked the Google's racial make-up did very well match the racial make-up of the SAT above ~1450. A recent anecdote - a Russian guy filling new hire paperwork in a US company checked completely different box than "Caucasian" just for fun, and when round eyed HR challenged him on it his response was "Sorry, we weren't taught how to correctly divide people by race", and the HR backed off.
snovv_crash 5y ago
> Activists want structural change, not a superficial papering over of the abuse of power that has been inflicted on their communities. What is the reason for the structural change though? Because mostly I see it just to fit an ideology of "how things should be", with not much thought beyond that. I agree that many of the current systems are horribly broken, but I don't think that critical race theory or other Marxist-founded systems put us in a better place. They certainly don't have a track record of success, and I'd argue that even in their limited application in the US their effects on the general population, and their effect on perception and treatment of minorities, has been largely detrimental against their own claimed goals of equality.

eplanit 5y ago

The Diversity agenda of the past 20+ years has created more racism and division than I witnessed in my entire life before then. I have come to conclude that it's one of the most misguided movements in modern history. We were making progress (seemingly too slow, I know) by applying Dr. King's prescription for Color Blindness. But, that concept has been rejected (though his name is still used in honor); and sure enough, we've slid horribly backwards.

at_a_remove 5y ago
Now, your race and sex matter more than ever. But consider all of the little slights of hand performed. I recall the unhappy Tweets from feminists when women were considered for the draft, mostly around the theme of "this isn't the equality I wanted." Equality is the whole package, it isn't a pick and choose. It isn't "only the good stuff." And then the shift has been to equity now. You have probably noticed this.
- eplanit 5y ago
  Yes. And, for women the insanity is mind-blowing. Now, being a "woman" is a state of mind and simply a matter of choice -- i.e. it's a meaningless "construct". We spent decades _rightfully_ learning to recognize and respect our differences, in terms of recognizing equal rights. But now, boom that's just bullshit, I guess. But, that's me who's amazed by this. I'd be more interested in the the opinion of women (biological females) on this recent phenomenon.
  - horrified 5y ago
    Funny how feminism often ends up removing female privileges.
enkid 5y ago
MLK was against what people today call colorblindness. Just because he said he wanted people to not judge his children by the color of their skin does not mean he didn't recognize that modern society does and will continue to do so, so we need to put in place compensating measures. Using a dead person's words in the exact opposite way they were intended is bad. https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinseale/2020/01/20/mlks-i-have-a-dream-speech-and-rejecting-colorblindness-for-todays-children/?sh=52e380ad2708 https://www.forbes.com/sites/colinseale/2020/01/20/mlks-i-ha...

fennecfoxen 5y ago

The reason for all this is pretty simple, when you get down to it. Corporations want to look good with regards to quote-"diversity" much more than they actually want diversity. Pandering to the stereotypical caricatures of diversity is far more rewarding, both in the C-suite and on the modern university campus. Real diversity is a nice-to-have, sure — it's not all cynical pretense — but quote-"diversity" will mean good press, more status, and ward off certain critics.

president 5y ago
Maybe, but why are these companies spending billions of dollars on diversity consultants and hiring Chief Diversity Officers when you could literally just tell your existing HR staff to boost diversity hires? It's not exactly rocket science. Something is really fishy here. EDIT: Keep downvoting me guys. I'm saving screenshots of all of this to show how flawed the state of discourse is on this site. To the mods, something is systemically wrong when an innocuous statement made in good faith can be downvoted.
- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  >why are these companies spending billions of dollars on diversity consultants Are they really spending that much? I'm out of the loop on this. Any and all such consultants I typically hear about are ones who have had some falling-out on Twitter. If consultants are resigning left and right, it can't be that much money, can it? Really billions?

anonleb4 5y ago

I never understood the logic of American companies asking to fill up your "race". Isn't it a tool of racism itself to do such things.

doit4thebitties 5y ago
The doublespeak of wokeness glossary: Sexist - Discrimination against anyone except a cis straight man. That means requiring half of company board members to be women is not sexist because only men are disempowered. Feminism is also not sexist even if it blindly advances all causes of and for women at any cost because the ends justify the means. Racist - Discrimination against anyone not White, or not Asian as applied to academics. SCOTUS condones Harvard's selection process that advances skin-color over merit. The worst demographic to be right now is a cis straight older white man. The suicide rates, diseases, conditions, and addictions of despair for this demographic are off the charts.

horrified 5y ago

Do Indians also count as Asians in those statistics (like 40% of Google)?

anonleb4 5y ago
Americans have this weird definition where Asian only equates with East Asia... don't ask why, it makes no sense to even have to fill this on paper.
- cyberpsybin 5y ago
  They define "Asians" by race and looks. Typical.
  - commandlinefan 5y ago
    Well, that's not necessarily an American thing. For a long time, the race that's currently described as "asian" was called "oriental" and specifically referred to that race. For some reason, the more specific term "oriental" fell out of favor (and is even considered offensive now, although I'm not quite sure why) and was replaced with the more generic, and somewhat confusing, "asian".
- kesava 5y ago
  "Asians" doesnt mean much, if it has to mean someone from the continent of Asia, given 60% of world population is from Asia.
  - anonleb4 5y ago
    Sweden includes all people from the Asian continent as Asians in their stats.
- mayli 5y ago
  Americans has this weird definition of "Americans".
commandlinefan 5y ago

alistairSH 5y ago

That's all very rant-y. I'm not sure I quite grok the author's thesis here. But, for the sake of debate... "The reality is that Silicon Valley is one of the most open and diverse industries in the United States." Ok, that might be true, but the supplied graph doesn't exactly support the statement. Blacks make up 13% of the population, but <5% of Google employees in the US. Similarly, Latino/Latinas make up 18% of the population and <7% of Google employees. Drilling into the chart (leads to a Google-owned site), the workforce is 32% female vs ~51% population. Yeah, there are a lot of Asians (from many countries and ethnic backgrounds) in STEM. That doesn't prove that there isn't a lack of opportunity for US-born minorities (or even some majorities, as we see with women). So, yeah, tech companies might be better than others, but the author didn't provide anything to back that assertion. I also take issue with his statement that 365 reviews are a near-universal in STEM. They aren't. I've never had one done on myself, and have only ever participated in 2-3 (all of which involved a manager, not an IC, who was failing and eventually exited). I believe most of my peers would report a similar experience. I'm also not sure what these have to do with diversity in the workplace.

bruceb 5y ago
Go to nearly any university and look who is in the computer science classes.
snovv_crash 5y ago
What is the purpose of having a company's demographics represent the country? What if certain ethnic groups focus more on sports, or biology, or being lawyers or doctors, or they skip the whole college ripoff and go to a trade school. Do they still need equal representation in tech? Do we just want equally smart people, or do we want people who also are motivated to work on tech, due to their cultural values? What about the individuals themselves? What if we ignore the color of their skin for a moment and try to find diversity in peoples' experiences, backgrounds etc. I feel these anti-racism movements do more to further cement race as an important component of identity into peoples' minds than anything else these days.
- mattzito 5y ago

gengelbro 5y ago

I was told, directly to my face by the hiring manager after presumably doing well during a FANG interview: "Why does it always have to be a white guy with a beard". I did take the job, but I've reflected on that moment once in a while.

Cyberthal 5y ago
Sounds like the corporate DNA finds your ethnic DNA deplorably delectable.

muzster 5y ago

It would be interesting to see how diverse each of the diversity groups are - for example, breakdown of Indians by caste.

iammisc 5y ago
Or even more telling... the breakdown of Indians by religion.

cwkoss 5y ago

I think meaning of the term diversity is often twisted into a binary outcome. If a company is 65% white and 35% Chinese is that more diverse than a company that is 70% white, 10% Chinese, 10% Indian, and 10% Vietnamese? Often, the above two examples would be flattened to just 35% or 30% Asian. But even my example is very reductive - China, for example, has many dozens of ethnic groups. I think 'diversity' is a very hard thing to quantify, which makes it more difficult to measure the effectiveness of initiatives to increase diversity. Can anyone point me towards better methods of measuring diversity? If society or a particular organization wishes to increase diversity, it seems important to be able to measure it with more nuance. What would an ideal algorithm for quantifying diversity look like?

iammisc 5y ago
It also ignores the most important diversity, which is diversity of thought. Having ten employees of ten different races who all think the same is hardly diversity. EDIT: Getting downvoted by the 'diversity' crowd I see :)
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  The irony of Corporate America's diversity programs is that they appreciate diversity of thought except for those that disagree with them. Then, they suddenly don't care about you and your thoughts.
- version_five 5y ago
  In my corporate experience, I have only seen people care about diversity based on irrelevant characteristics (race, gender, etc). Nobody wants diversity of thought. An example that I expect will get me in trouble: when a woman exhibits traditionally masculine characteristics at work - assertiveness etc, it can get looked at badly. And people say "oh well if a man did that, it would be ok", and use it as an example of sexism. I like working with women, and I reject any notion of stereotypes about how a woman should act, but a woman acting the same as the other male douchebags doesn't add any diversity, she's just another annoying person I have to manage. I'd rather have someone bring a unique and different temperament to work, which could even include being helpful and caring instead of combative with a chip on their shoulder. So maybe if people want to be valued for the diversity of their contributions, they should actually act "diverse" and not conform to the lowest common denominator of corporate behavior.

Causality1 5y ago

Jews for a long time now have been functionally white It's a Schrodinger's white guy situation, often even to themselves. I've seen the same person claim to be both white and not white in different times and contexts. I wonder if Irish and Italian people went through a similar period on their way to whiteness and we just don't know about it because no one was listening.

iammisc 5y ago
Well, i'm indian, and I was told by a college professor in a history of immigration class that I am white because I believe in things like hard-work to better my family's situation, education, etc. The book he had us read was all about how different races got 'whitened', and he was convinced Indians are being 'whitened'. Let's just sit here and consider for a minute the inherent racism in referring to anyone being rich as having the quality of 'being white'.
- colpabar 5y ago
  > Let's just sit here and consider for a minute the inherent racism in referring to anyone being rich as having the quality of 'being white'. I guess you never saw this. https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333 https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rationa...
  - iammisc 5y ago
    Oh I did... and rolled my eyes.
  - Causality1 5y ago
    "Hard work is internalized racism" might be the most 2020s sentence I've ever read.
alphabettsy 5y ago
Yea, actually there are plenty of books and papers about it.

tines 5y ago

> Liberalism announces ‘one person, one vote’ and ‘equality before the law’, and yet somehow the children of the wealthy have a plusher time on Christmas morning than those of the very poor (not to mention most other days of their lives). I'm not sure I see the "and yet" conflict here; equality before the law and one person, one vote don't have anything to do with money. In fact, the big deal about these two ideas is that they completely ignore how much money you have. Maybe someone can explain to me what the author means here.

cratermoon 5y ago

Antonio García Martínez, folks: - https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-hiring-antonio-garcia-martinez-chaos-monkeys-facebook https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h... - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/05/13/apple-parts-ways-with-exec-who-wrote-women-are-soft-and-weak/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/05/13/apple-pa...

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doit4thebitties 5y ago

"Diversity" is an idealistic mirage like Communism. It sounds great until you throw away common-sense like merit.

TheTester 5y ago

Why did this get flagged honestly while I do not agree and while I was expecting a different thing given the title, it makes a bunch of good points and I say this as a Hispanic guy in an industry that does not look like him usually. Are long gone the days of actually hacking nuanced discussions of complex topics in hackernews?