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Not too lost 'cause you can run Linux on M1.

by paulcarroty 5y ago

amelius 5y ago
Until the manufacturer decides otherwise.
- ricardobeat 5y ago
  Like every other system since UEFI came out a decade ago. Do you use a Librem phone/laptop yourself?
  - Nullabillity 5y ago
    Most other manufacturers aren't in the business of pushing their own OS.
    - lijogdfljk 5y ago
      Fwiw, Apple's incentive seems to be hardware from the outside more than Software, imo. They tend to sell the hardware by the software for a lot of people, but given that they're so concerned with keeping their software on their hardware i suspect they don't have much reason to push their software over your software. What would concern me is if we see a big revenue stream from their software. Then i'd question them not wanting Linux on their machines. But imo you already gave them what they want when you buy an M1. I don't see a reason why they care beyond that.
      - amelius 5y ago
        Are you kidding? After getting a taste of the revenue-potential of software in the App Store, it is inevitable that Apple wants more of it. In fact, I predict that Apple will at one point start selling software as a subscription, like SaaS. Other OSes don't fit in that model.
        lijogdfljk 5y ago
        I'm not. Because for years Apple didn't want it's OS anywhere but on it's hardware. The day apple wants it's OS anywhere it can get it, because it brings in money independent of just it's hardware is the day i actually believe Apple cares about the software revenue. Right now Apple's software is hardware locked. Google by comparison cares much more about the software side than Apple, imo.
        Someone 5y ago
        > I predict that Apple will at one point start selling software as a subscription That’s not a difficult prediction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Arcade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Arcade: “Apple Arcade is a video game subscription service offered by Apple Inc. It is available through a dedicated tab of the App Store on devices running iOS 13, tvOS 13, iPadOS 13, and macOS Catalina or later. The service launched on September 19, 2019 after being announced in March 2019” They also have “hardware as a service”. https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program: “The easiest way to upgrade to the latest iPhone. Get a new iPhone every year AppleCare+ coverage included Works with your carrier Starting from $35.33/month”
      - wobbly_bush 5y ago
        This is a 2017 article[1] about how Tim Cook pushed Apple to get more revenue from software services. Recent articles this year add to say that Apple has been successful in this area. So perhaps the image of Apple being mainly a hardware company is outdated. [1] https://www.applemust.com/apples-50b-services-target-just-isnt-ambitious-enough/ https://www.applemust.com/apples-50b-services-target-just-is...
        lijogdfljk 5y ago
        Even more reason to avoid them i guess, if there hardware is as closed ecosystem and useless to those outside it. At least before they shipped good hardware for multiple contexts, but perhaps those days are gone.
- spiderice 5y ago
  Then once the manufacturer makes that decision, switch. Honestly this comment is just nonsense.. Apple has always allowed other OSes on Mac. When that changes, buy a new computer.
  - Nullabillity 5y ago
    The iPhone came out 14 years ago, and still doesn't allow switching OS. What more do you need?
    - atty 5y ago
      The iPhone and the Mac are different platforms, developed at different times, for different purposes and different markets with different design philosophies. I don’t see a logical connection between the iPhone being bootlocked and the Mac necessarily following suite.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
yyyk 5y ago
The selling point of Macs is the Apple ecosystem and UX. If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? Linux on equivalent AMDs is cheaper and more compatible.
- bayindirh 5y ago
  > If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? - (Potentially) programmable top notch security chip with no overhead encryption - Fanless (Air), cool running, fast processor with very low power consumption - All metal body - Top notch HiDPI screen with color accuracy. - Top notch sensors - Excellent, illuminated keyboard - Big trackpad with pressure sensitivity and taptic engine - Excellent battery life - Excellent battery endurance - Very high sound quality, good speakers, good mics. - High quality webcam - Light for its class - WiFi with plenty of antennas, MIMO support and all modern standards, incl. forward facing ones. Need more?
  - Filligree 5y ago
    - No jank at all. The most comfortable-to-use laptop I’ve ever had, desktop latency wise. - The ability to use nix-darwin for configuration management. It may be incomplete, but there’s no Windows equivalent. - Higher single thread performance than any other device.
  - yyyk 5y ago
    Nearly all the HW items have equivalent or superiour replacements, and a fair amount are dependent on the Apple ecosystem. Without Apple's ecosystem it's a good system but overpriced, and that's before you run into Linux compatibility problems. For example, take the monitor - there are monitors with higher refresh rates or more resolution (Retina does 'only' 6K). Also, Mac OS colour processing has no good equivalent elsewhere, so you won't see as much benefit from Apple's monitor without Mac OS.
    - ajconway 5y ago
      M1 is nearly a year old now, and the replacement (M1X, M2?) is rumored to be released in a couple of months. So far no other SoC has been able to come close to even the current-gen M1 in terms of performance + efficiency, with a remarkable x86 emulation on top. On the software side, Apple has the unique position to force every developer who cares about their user base to rebuild their stuff for a completely different CPU architecture. M1-based products are anything but overpriced. The Air’s price is comparable to modern flagship smartphones.

Not too lost 'cause you can run Linux on M1.

amelius 5y ago

Until the manufacturer decides otherwise.

ricardobeat 5y ago
Like every other system since UEFI came out a decade ago. Do you use a Librem phone/laptop yourself?
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  Most other manufacturers aren't in the business of pushing their own OS.
  - lijogdfljk 5y ago
    Fwiw, Apple's incentive seems to be hardware from the outside more than Software, imo. They tend to sell the hardware by the software for a lot of people, but given that they're so concerned with keeping their software on their hardware i suspect they don't have much reason to push their software over your software. What would concern me is if we see a big revenue stream from their software. Then i'd question them not wanting Linux on their machines. But imo you already gave them what they want when you buy an M1. I don't see a reason why they care beyond that.
    - amelius 5y ago
      Are you kidding? After getting a taste of the revenue-potential of software in the App Store, it is inevitable that Apple wants more of it. In fact, I predict that Apple will at one point start selling software as a subscription, like SaaS. Other OSes don't fit in that model.
      - lijogdfljk 5y ago
        I'm not. Because for years Apple didn't want it's OS anywhere but on it's hardware. The day apple wants it's OS anywhere it can get it, because it brings in money independent of just it's hardware is the day i actually believe Apple cares about the software revenue. Right now Apple's software is hardware locked. Google by comparison cares much more about the software side than Apple, imo.
      - Someone 5y ago
        > I predict that Apple will at one point start selling software as a subscription That’s not a difficult prediction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Arcade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Arcade: “Apple Arcade is a video game subscription service offered by Apple Inc. It is available through a dedicated tab of the App Store on devices running iOS 13, tvOS 13, iPadOS 13, and macOS Catalina or later. The service launched on September 19, 2019 after being announced in March 2019” They also have “hardware as a service”. https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program: “The easiest way to upgrade to the latest iPhone. Get a new iPhone every year AppleCare+ coverage included Works with your carrier Starting from $35.33/month”
    - wobbly_bush 5y ago
      This is a 2017 article[1] about how Tim Cook pushed Apple to get more revenue from software services. Recent articles this year add to say that Apple has been successful in this area. So perhaps the image of Apple being mainly a hardware company is outdated. [1] https://www.applemust.com/apples-50b-services-target-just-isnt-ambitious-enough/ https://www.applemust.com/apples-50b-services-target-just-is...
      - lijogdfljk 5y ago
        Even more reason to avoid them i guess, if there hardware is as closed ecosystem and useless to those outside it. At least before they shipped good hardware for multiple contexts, but perhaps those days are gone.
spiderice 5y ago
Then once the manufacturer makes that decision, switch. Honestly this comment is just nonsense.. Apple has always allowed other OSes on Mac. When that changes, buy a new computer.
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  The iPhone came out 14 years ago, and still doesn't allow switching OS. What more do you need?
  - atty 5y ago
    The iPhone and the Mac are different platforms, developed at different times, for different purposes and different markets with different design philosophies. I don’t see a logical connection between the iPhone being bootlocked and the Mac necessarily following suite.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]

yyyk 5y ago

The selling point of Macs is the Apple ecosystem and UX. If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? Linux on equivalent AMDs is cheaper and more compatible.

bayindirh 5y ago
> If you avoid Apple, what's the point of M1? - (Potentially) programmable top notch security chip with no overhead encryption - Fanless (Air), cool running, fast processor with very low power consumption - All metal body - Top notch HiDPI screen with color accuracy. - Top notch sensors - Excellent, illuminated keyboard - Big trackpad with pressure sensitivity and taptic engine - Excellent battery life - Excellent battery endurance - Very high sound quality, good speakers, good mics. - High quality webcam - Light for its class - WiFi with plenty of antennas, MIMO support and all modern standards, incl. forward facing ones. Need more?
- Filligree 5y ago
  - No jank at all. The most comfortable-to-use laptop I’ve ever had, desktop latency wise. - The ability to use nix-darwin for configuration management. It may be incomplete, but there’s no Windows equivalent. - Higher single thread performance than any other device.
- yyyk 5y ago
  Nearly all the HW items have equivalent or superiour replacements, and a fair amount are dependent on the Apple ecosystem. Without Apple's ecosystem it's a good system but overpriced, and that's before you run into Linux compatibility problems. For example, take the monitor - there are monitors with higher refresh rates or more resolution (Retina does 'only' 6K). Also, Mac OS colour processing has no good equivalent elsewhere, so you won't see as much benefit from Apple's monitor without Mac OS.
  - ajconway 5y ago
    M1 is nearly a year old now, and the replacement (M1X, M2?) is rumored to be released in a couple of months. So far no other SoC has been able to come close to even the current-gen M1 in terms of performance + efficiency, with a remarkable x86 emulation on top. On the software side, Apple has the unique position to force every developer who cares about their user base to rebuild their stuff for a completely different CPU architecture. M1-based products are anything but overpriced. The Air’s price is comparable to modern flagship smartphones.