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That's not the only reasons people wouldn't want to take the vaccine. For instance lots of people already had covid (particularly in NYC), and developed a natur
by cm2187 5y ago
That's not the only reasons people wouldn't want to take the vaccine. For instance lots of people already had covid (particularly in NYC), and developed a natural immunity, which from the low reinfection rate, seems to be rock solid. It doesn't make a lot of sense to require that population to take a vaccine.
As for the vaccine being more or less dangerous than the virus, I think for any population over 40 or in poor health, the trade off is clearly in favour of the vaccine. But if you are 20 and in good health, I am not sure it is that obvious.
I am not overly concerned about the vaccine myself, and I got vaccinated even though I had covid (mostly to be able to travel), but I have some sympathy for people who decline to be vaccinated, particularly when all the population at risk had a chance to get vaccinated. At this point this is them managing their own risk. Their life, their decision.
- chimeracoder 5y ago> As for the vaccine being more or less dangerous than the virus, I think for any population over 40 or in poor health, the trade off is clearly in favour of the vaccine. But if you are 20 and in good health, I am not sure it is that obvious. The risks of complications from the virus are many orders of magnitude higher than risks of complications from the vaccine, even for people in their 20s.
- cm2187 5y agoWhatever the numbers are, you are balancing a minuscule risk against another minuscule risk. That's not going to be a convincing argument.
- chimeracoder 5y ago> Whatever the numbers are, you are balancing a minuscule risk against another minuscule risk. That's not going to be a convincing argument. The rate of complications from COVID-19 infections among people in their 20s is absolutely not "minuscule".
- mdorazio 5y agoCan you find a reliable number to share on what the complication rate actually is? The best I can find is that the death rate in CA for 18-34 year olds is quite low - something like 0.07% [1]. [1] https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COVID-19-Cases-by-Age-Group.aspx https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/COV...
- 908B64B197 5y ago> The risks of complications from the virus are many orders of magnitude higher than risks of complications from the vaccine, even for people in their 20s. For those who already had the virus and developed an immune response the risks are different.
- IG_Semmelweiss 5y agoThis was addressed upthread by timr There are no actual double blind, controlled, replicable studies that conclusively demonstrate "long covid" Long covid may be a thing. Right now, its like any anecdata on any virus.
- bob33212 5y agoHow is this any different than requiring people to wear shoes in specific locations? Some people prefer not to wear shoes, but for the legal liability and the risk of injury many locations require shoes. Don't go to those places if you feel strongly about not getting the vaccine or wearing shoes
- slumdev 5y agoShoes don't have systemic side effects.
- alecst 5y agoI agree that you can make the case that proof of antibodies should be treated like proof of vaccination. I can't see the harm in that and think it's a point worth bringing up.
- Supermancho 5y agoI am more open to this than getting a vaccine, as my wife and I were infected before the COVID mania had set in (doctors couldn't tell us what it was). If I get a vaccine with a variant, how well will I fare as I'm in stage 3 heart failure? Check me for antibodies. That seems fair.
- heavyset_go 5y ago> For instance lots of people already had covid (particularly in NYC) According to NYC.gov[1], there have been about 980k cases of COVID in a city with a population of over 8 million. About 12% of the population has had COVID. [1] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-totals.page https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-totals.pag...
- cm2187 5y agoThat's cases. There was hardly any testing during the first wave, which hit NY particularly. The numbers are likely significantly higher.
- tudelo 5y agoYeah. Hardly any testing as in even with every single covid symptom you could not get a test depending on your age and prior conditions. Now, you can walk in to clinics with no wait and get a rapid test ASAP. It's very different.
- heavyset_go 5y agoYes, it is probably higher. The 980k figure also counts over 200k probable cases and probable deaths, so some of the untested are baked into the total figure.
- NonContro 5y agohttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00104-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7... Seroprevalence has been measured at 74% for Ultra-Orthodox Jewish populations in the UK. Its not a surprise that ethnic and religious minorities are anti-vaxx - many of them already had COVID. I'm anti-mandatory vaccinations for the same reason, as a COVID survivor. All the evidence is showing that this natural immunity is superior to vaccines, but I'm treated like a second-class citizen.
- eruleman 5y agoThat's because seroprevalence isn't as legible to the state as vaccination is.