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I'm sorry but come on. The writing has been on the wall for decades now. If you run Windows on your computer, it's not your computer, and you have to comply wit
by peakaboo 5y ago
I'm sorry but come on. The writing has been on the wall for decades now. If you run Windows on your computer, it's not your computer, and you have to comply with whatever Microsoft says or does.
I haven't had Windows on my computer since Windows 7. Instead I've been using modern Linux distributions. This is freedom. My computer doesn't slow down, is lightning fast, and just works, year after year.
- YinLuck- 5y agoYes, lets all move into the wilderness and use our own dung as fuel for our campfires...
- bsdnoob 5y agoI suppose you can say same about apple products.
- smitty1e 5y agoA future where Windows is to Linux as Aqua is to Mach seems likely by, say, the end of the decade.
- hyper_dynamics 5y agoI don't think it seems likely at all.
- smitty1e 5y agoThe thirty-year trajectory of MS vs. Linux argues in my favor, I think, but being wrong is nothing new.
- beanjuice 5y agoAt the moment, it would seem apple is at least a bit more responsible with their walled garden. Their users don't get served ads, aren't forced to have Teams now always running, and in general are subject to far less bloatware.
- lrem 5y agoFor those out of the loop: what is the fuss about?
- npteljes 5y agoMicrosoft violating user trust. 1. Win 10 was promised to be the "last Windows", updated like a rolling distro. 2. Minimum system requirements are raised in a way that leaves behind "as many as 60 percent" of hardware that's otherwise fine. 3. Home edition cannot be set up with a local account.
- _trampeltier 5y agoJup same for me. At home I allways had Windows and Linux. But Win7 was the last version. Since the Win10 age, i'm Linux only at home.
- fletchowns 5y agoLinux is great and a lot of progress has been made on the gaming front lately. However, if you want to play all the latest AAA titles at their highest fidelity, there's no choice but to use Windows.
- vaylian 5y agoThere's a decent chance that this will change with the upcoming steam deck: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq Valve is working together with AAA publishers to get better Linux support.
- bserge 5y agoTruly an amazing development. I hope the Steam Deck is popular enough.
- tpxl 5y agoFirst orders start shipping december 2021, current orders start shipping after Q2 2022, so I'd say it's pretty popular.
- creshal 5y agoThe development of Proton has already changed it a lot, the progress is really impressive.
- pjmlp 5y agoYou mean the same AAA publishers that publish games on Stadia and Android?
- creshal 5y agoYes, and? Computers are so much more than gaming devices, it makes no sense to restrict yourself just by that one facet. Or should I use a PlayStation as my main computer just because it has exclusive titles I like?
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- Animats 5y agoMe too. Today I turned on my Windows 7 machine for the first time in months. I checked my old Facebook account. I deleted some unwanted friend requests. I shut the Windows machine down and went back to the Linux machines.
- Abishek_Muthian 5y ago> Today I turned on my Windows 7 machine for the first time in months. I checked my old Facebook account. That's brave of you, I hope you had installed the latest security updates, which for Windows which hasn't been updated in months can take several hours, multiple reboots and has 1/10 chance to update successfully. Update mechanism are another reason for someone to run Linux, Especially a rolling release distribution.
- de6u99er 5y agoI totally agree. Ditched Windows a couple of years ago after using Windows and Linux. I didn't agree with Microsoft constantly changing privacy related settings through updates. Linux for work and development. PS5 for gaming. I am happy that my complete household is Microsoft free.
- icemelt8 5y agoxbox Series S is such a better value
- onion2k 5y agoIf you run Windows on your computer, it's not your computer, and you have to comply with whatever Microsoft says or does. In this case, Windows 10 will continue to run on your computer perfectly fine. Microsoft are not changing anything about Windows 10, or the way people use Windows 10, or removing any Windows 10 'ownership' that people have right now. The complaints are that Windows 11 has additional requirements (a modern CPU with a TMP 2.0 chip), and that older computers don't have that. Essentially people are sad that they can't upgrade because their computers don't meet the minimum spec. TMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module) is a bit controversial, but you can run Windows without it. Just not Windows 11.
- raxxorrax 5y agoThey enforce secure boot. Many vendors only have the MS CA implemented to check OS integrity. So you would have to get your OS certified by Microsoft...
- josteink 5y agoAlmost all mainstream Linux distros can OOB do UEFI secure boot through a MS-signed shim, or Grub signed by Canonical or Fedora (which is a trusted cert by the MS cert). Secure boot does not prevent a user from installing Linux. That’s just FUD.
- raxxorrax 5y agoI don't think making people aware of the logistic problems of having to sign you OS at Microsoft in most practical cases is FUD. Secure boot or TPM can make sense for the cloud, since you might want to check if the provider changed your OS. MS used ransomware to justify secure boot. That is FUD. Boot and Bios trojans have become extremely rare and it doesn't provide enough protection anyway. This is for vendor lock in and nothing else.
- zo1 5y agoIt may be FUD, but people's concerns are valid. This is clearly another stepping-stone in the direction of removing control of the hardware/computer away from the user (under the guise of Trust, Safety, Privacy and Security). We just don't yet see the bigger, long term end state. But if you ask me, "they" essentially want an un-tamperable and un-recordable pipe between hosted server and the monitor that emits electrons to your eyeballs.
- raxxorrax 5y agoI agree completely. I believe this to be an extremely bad failure at MS for product and company strategy. They basically own the PC OS market but jeapardize their own position massively. I meet devs that target Windows less and less. That said, I might not really cry myself to sleep if people leave Windows behind.
- bserge 5y agoYeah, it would be amazing if Adobe, DS, Autodesk, and others would somehow realize they should decouple their software from the OS and make a Linux version (that could even run on Windows). Though right now the only problem I have is Windows restarting overnight for updates. Closing half the open programs. Even though I explicitly set it to no auto restart if user logged on. Then again, it ignores the work time, too.
- smolder 5y agoI think even if it was a good investment to release that kind of high value software on linux and support it there (and it might be,) certain decision-makers may choose not to for ideological reasons. FOSS is often either treated as a resource for exploitation or some kind of anti-capitalist boogie man. I swear I've been put on some peoples' shit lists just for suggesting that we publish something under a FOSS license for visibility and goodwill.
- denton-scratch 5y ago> Even though I explicitly set it to no auto restart if user logged on. This really annoys me. I mean, why can't they just pop up a warning that I need to reboot? Or perhaps (not so good) at least take note of which apps are running, and re-launch them after the forced reboot? Windows has been getting suckier with each release since Win2K. None of this suckiness is security, or seriously-cool enhancements. It's all caused by marketing exigencies. Microsoft's awfulness makes me want to cry. [Edit: changed "since WinNT" to "since Win2K" - Win2K wasn't suckier than WinNT - as far as I know, it was just WinNT re-skinned]
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- stinos 5y agoMy computer doesn't slow down, is lightning fast, and just works, year after year. Can say that about pretty much any OS, highly depending on what exactly it is you do with it, and if you happen to be lucky enough that you're the one which doesnt't have one single problem. Especially the 'just works' bit rings much less bells for me when it comes to Linux than it does for other OS. Which kinda harms the feeling of freedom I get from it.
- atoav 5y agoAs someone who worked both in IT support and has parents who use compiters despite not knowing how to use them, this is not true. I had a ton of issues with Windows when my mother used it (despite me being a long time Windows user and offering her remote assistence). At one point I got so fed up with yet another update that fucked things up (=changed the UI she was used to) that I decided to install Ubuntu. My mother was happy with the new system and the number of times I had to support her was one thenth of what it was before. OSX is also not without pitfalls, especially the updates can break a lot of existing setups (hardware...) Linux is great for real power users or real beginners, not so great for intermediate people who know enough to fuck a system up for good. But if you are a beginner or a power user it just works unless you fuck it up. With Windows and OSX it just works till they decide to fuck it up, even if you are trying to actively prevent it.
- rand49an 5y agoThat strikes me as highly anecdotal. Another anecdote for you; my Windows 10 Thinkpad which is used for 10 hours every day remains as quick and reliable as the day that I got it and generally goes for months without being restarted.
- atoav 5y ago> That strikes me as highly anecdotal. Well sure, because it is. As mentioned I also worked both in first- and second level support in an enviroment that had Windows, OSX and Linux desktop, with very varying degrees of proficiency between the users of all operating systems. The anectdote from my mother is mirrored in the many experiences I made at the job. Sure that is still no true evidence, but I never claimed it was more than just my opinion. My opinion that I derived from working at precisely the issues involved. Btw. there was one particularily bad Windows user (the type that comes with viruses and toolbars, the type that thinks someone can control their computer if you plug their mouse into another computer). We had nothing but hassle with that person until we moved said person to Linux, where a big pain turned into a much smaller pain. This is again just another annecdotal example, but I could go on.
- lmm 5y ago> Instead I've been using modern Linux distributions. This is freedom. My computer doesn't slow down, is lightning fast, and just works, year after year. That doesn't match my experience of modern Linux at all. Plenty of forced "upgrades" that broke things, sometimes leaving me with an unbootable system (systemd). I switched to FreeBSD and things are much better.
- krageon 5y agoNobody should run a linux distro that has systemd in it, but thankfully you have many many options for that that don't involve running an OS with terrible hardware support (and a small community to boot).
- aceBacker 5y agoI don't think it's as bad as that. You can still create a local account and login to your PC without a callback to Microsoft.
- sundvor 5y agoAnd that way you get the username you want too, instead of the first five letters of your name/email. "Johnathan Smith" => "johna" == yuck.
- Barrin92 5y agoof course you can make the hardline FOSS argument but compared to say, the phone OS market Windows is actually remarkably open, in particular given how dominant it is and especially was. Imagine if Windows had charged every developer who ever built anything on windows 30% of their revenue. They got almost bludgeoned to death for shipping a default browser 20 years ago. Windows deserves a lot of criticism but we take it for granted that a monopolist basically just sold an operating system and let everyone run and build whatever they wanted on top of it, we could've been fucked way worse.