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The version from piratebay still works. It's sad when pirates provide a better product than the official vendor. And it's not just software... unskippable ads

The version from piratebay still works. It's sad when pirates provide a better product than the official vendor. And it's not just software... unskippable ads on dvds, ads on paid streaming platforms, series/movies removed, books removed from ereaders, obsoleted mediums,.... Piracy solves all that, even when not taking the price (free) in cosideration. Netflix was the one to "solve" piracy with movies/series, where you'd pay a small fee to one company, and get "everything" on one platform, but now, with many streaming services, showing exclusive series/movies, and the need for many subscriptions to watch what you want, they're destroying that too, and making piracy a better option for many users. I kinda wishes businesses would slowly move off microsoft to other solutions but yeah... 2022 will surely be the year of linux desktop! ...wont it?

tester756 5y ago
How about malware?
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Oh yeah, i forgot about malware on music cds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
  - tester756 5y ago
    that's arguing gymnastics I do seriously ask because I avoid pirating stuff because I'm never sure what's there and yes, I do believe that shady sites are more likely to add some fancy stuff like coin miners to their stuff than actual e.g game vendors like CDPR and similar.
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      The risk is always there... but you can always check the hash of the iso, if it's the same as on microsofts site, and then check the crack/patch/activator/... on virustotal. Movies, series, music,.. are usually in file formats not really suitable to carry malware (unless you click on the movie.mp4.exe, but most tech-savy users, who know how to pirate, also know not to do that).
      - wizzwizz4 5y ago
        > Movies, series, music,.. are usually in file formats not really suitable to carry malware A few audio file formats are (practically) Turing-complete, and there have before been bugs in the VMs that allow privilege escalation.
      - TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
        As an IT security professional, depending on virus total and other sites is a pretty horrible idea. It's trivial to use msfvenom to encrypt a trojan and get it executed on a system, at least for a while until it gets recognized by some cloud platform.
- madars 5y ago
  Untouched MSDN images have their hashes published online (not without subscription anymore but people have made mirrors).
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    yep, + the keygen/patches can be scanned by virustotal. Same with game cracks (usually done by replacing the "game.exe" with a cracked version)
    - no_time 5y ago
      Also if you have the original file (most cracked software conveniently provides the crack separately) you can run something like ida + diaphora[0] and see the work the crackers did nicely isolated. Sometimes its little as altering a single conditional jump. [0]: https://github.com/joxeankoret/diaphora https://github.com/joxeankoret/diaphora
    - tester756 5y ago
      > the keygen/patches can be scanned by virustotal. Wouldnt open source be better?
      - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
        Because not all cracks are opensource, and not all games/software is opensource. If you need a media player, you can get an opensource one (vlc, mpv,...). If you need excell, because of incompatibilities, macros, whatever, and don't want to pay (or don't want to buy a new one, since 2010 version works fine), you must crack it.
      - no_time 5y ago
        There are a lot of open source tools that more or less automate the removal of certain protections, especially from games. I "audited" a few myself. I'd link them here but some self righteous bootlicker would probably report it.
  - tester756 5y ago
- jrootabega 5y ago
  This is the question that gets brushed off, and usually hostilely suppressed, as you're experiencing now, when talking about piracy/jailbreaking/ddwrt/etc. Asking this question is not FUD. There's no answer other than just hoping that any problems will come out given enough usage. If you're advanced enough to have multiple levels of trust in your environment, you just shouldn't use cracked software in your most trusted level.
- mejutoco 5y ago
  To be fair, some non-pirated software comes with malware too these days.
- swiley 5y ago
  Windows is effectively malware at this point, it's clear the users don't care.
  - eeegnu 5y ago
    The kind of malware the average user is concerned about is the one that will break into their accounts by logging their keypresses, or lock them out of their own computer for a ransom. Neither of those things are likely to come from windows, so whether it technically fits some definition of malware is beyond the point.
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      > or lock them out of their own computer for a ransom. True enough; Windows has never asked me for a ransom – though it has shown me the dreaded Bitlocker Blue Screen because my "hardware configuration changed" after a software update.
- cs2733 5y ago
  Personally I prefer to use open source software rather than closed source and official closed source rather than torrented files but realistically the difference may not be that big, when the hardware where the code runs is not open / not possible to be checked.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> I kinda wishes businesses would slowly move off microsoft to other solutions but yeah... Actually Microsoft Word (not necessarily the most recent versions, also 97) is a nice piece of software that most of the time just works and after a bit of configuration doesn't get in your way. It's a great solution for short-to medium documents allowing you to get the work done. In theory, LO Writer should be the same or better, and in some aspect certainly is, but there are several little things that make it simply more pleasant to use Word.
- benjohnson 5y ago
  AbiWord is opensource and is a good alternative to as MS Word 97: Uncluttered, quick, and easy to figure out. https://www.abisource.com/ https://www.abisource.com/ EDIT: Sorry, they've dropped Windows support recently.
- Nexxxeh 5y ago
  Outlook, on the other hand, is a steaming heap of headache with bugs dating back years, and new ones added regularly. Seemingly at random, using wrong Exchange credentials for an account? Known issue since 2010. Hits one of my clients so often I have a script to rebuild their credentials store. Large mailboxes cached locally randomly corrupt? Known issue for forever, but seemingly happens less often if the OST and PST are stored in a really short path (like C:\Outlook). Most recently the "new and on by default" setting of "Store my Outlook settings in the cloud" impacts random users, repeatedly disabling "Save sent items", despite not having a Microsoft account on the system, and none of the other users of the Exchange mailbox turning off Save sent items. It just syncs it with nothing and picks the stupidest options. https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/outlook-saving-preferences/ https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/outlook-saving-preferences...
chii 5y ago
> Netflix was the one to "solve" piracy with movies/series, where you'd pay a small fee to one company, and get "everything" on one platform the true issue is that such a way to "solve" piracy means less money for the publishers, who are very used to hold a commanding position and they do not wish to give it up. Thus, the current fragmented on-demand video platforms - every publisher from disney, to HBO, wants a piece of the subscriber pie. I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This will remove exclusivity, and let the platforms compete on platform level features.
- judge2020 5y ago
  > I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This has now been repealed, fyi: https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/7/21358637/movie-theater-antitrust-laws-paramount-consent-decrees-movie-studios-theater-chains-netflix-disney https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/7/21358637/movie-theater-anti... Not that Netflix or Disney would see the "booming" physical theater industry and want to buy in these days.
  - madeofpalk 5y ago
    > Netflix has finalized a deal to buy Hollywood’s historic Egyptian Theatre for an undisclosed price, closing a transaction that had been in the works for more than a year. https://variety.com/2020/film/news/netflix-hollywood-egyptian-theatre-1234619985/ https://variety.com/2020/film/news/netflix-hollywood-egyptia... Not quite what you meant, but still.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  > I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This will remove exclusivity, and let the platforms compete on platform level features. The only thing government needs to do is reduce years of copyright. Everything else will sort itself out.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  The govt mandated that in France the TV channels cannot broadcast movies on Saturday. Then came Netflix, non-national channels, streaming, torrents and what not but the rule stayed the same. While, as a French, I strongly support govt interventionism, there are plenty of cases where they happily belive it is still 1990. And don't get me started with the use of govt Internet services which are terrible.

tester756 5y ago

How about malware?

ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Oh yeah, i forgot about malware on music cds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk...
- tester756 5y ago
  that's arguing gymnastics I do seriously ask because I avoid pirating stuff because I'm never sure what's there and yes, I do believe that shady sites are more likely to add some fancy stuff like coin miners to their stuff than actual e.g game vendors like CDPR and similar.
  - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
    The risk is always there... but you can always check the hash of the iso, if it's the same as on microsofts site, and then check the crack/patch/activator/... on virustotal. Movies, series, music,.. are usually in file formats not really suitable to carry malware (unless you click on the movie.mp4.exe, but most tech-savy users, who know how to pirate, also know not to do that).
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      > Movies, series, music,.. are usually in file formats not really suitable to carry malware A few audio file formats are (practically) Turing-complete, and there have before been bugs in the VMs that allow privilege escalation.
    - TheAdamAndChe 5y ago
      As an IT security professional, depending on virus total and other sites is a pretty horrible idea. It's trivial to use msfvenom to encrypt a trojan and get it executed on a system, at least for a while until it gets recognized by some cloud platform.
madars 5y ago
Untouched MSDN images have their hashes published online (not without subscription anymore but people have made mirrors).
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  yep, + the keygen/patches can be scanned by virustotal. Same with game cracks (usually done by replacing the "game.exe" with a cracked version)
  - no_time 5y ago
    Also if you have the original file (most cracked software conveniently provides the crack separately) you can run something like ida + diaphora[0] and see the work the crackers did nicely isolated. Sometimes its little as altering a single conditional jump. [0]: https://github.com/joxeankoret/diaphora https://github.com/joxeankoret/diaphora
  - tester756 5y ago
    > the keygen/patches can be scanned by virustotal. Wouldnt open source be better?
    - ajsnigrutin 5y ago
      Because not all cracks are opensource, and not all games/software is opensource. If you need a media player, you can get an opensource one (vlc, mpv,...). If you need excell, because of incompatibilities, macros, whatever, and don't want to pay (or don't want to buy a new one, since 2010 version works fine), you must crack it.
    - no_time 5y ago
      There are a lot of open source tools that more or less automate the removal of certain protections, especially from games. I "audited" a few myself. I'd link them here but some self righteous bootlicker would probably report it.
- tester756 5y ago
jrootabega 5y ago
This is the question that gets brushed off, and usually hostilely suppressed, as you're experiencing now, when talking about piracy/jailbreaking/ddwrt/etc. Asking this question is not FUD. There's no answer other than just hoping that any problems will come out given enough usage. If you're advanced enough to have multiple levels of trust in your environment, you just shouldn't use cracked software in your most trusted level.
mejutoco 5y ago
To be fair, some non-pirated software comes with malware too these days.
swiley 5y ago
Windows is effectively malware at this point, it's clear the users don't care.
- eeegnu 5y ago
  The kind of malware the average user is concerned about is the one that will break into their accounts by logging their keypresses, or lock them out of their own computer for a ransom. Neither of those things are likely to come from windows, so whether it technically fits some definition of malware is beyond the point.
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    > or lock them out of their own computer for a ransom. True enough; Windows has never asked me for a ransom – though it has shown me the dreaded Bitlocker Blue Screen because my "hardware configuration changed" after a software update.
cs2733 5y ago
Personally I prefer to use open source software rather than closed source and official closed source rather than torrented files but realistically the difference may not be that big, when the hardware where the code runs is not open / not possible to be checked.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

> I kinda wishes businesses would slowly move off microsoft to other solutions but yeah... Actually Microsoft Word (not necessarily the most recent versions, also 97) is a nice piece of software that most of the time just works and after a bit of configuration doesn't get in your way. It's a great solution for short-to medium documents allowing you to get the work done. In theory, LO Writer should be the same or better, and in some aspect certainly is, but there are several little things that make it simply more pleasant to use Word.

benjohnson 5y ago
AbiWord is opensource and is a good alternative to as MS Word 97: Uncluttered, quick, and easy to figure out. https://www.abisource.com/ https://www.abisource.com/ EDIT: Sorry, they've dropped Windows support recently.
Nexxxeh 5y ago
Outlook, on the other hand, is a steaming heap of headache with bugs dating back years, and new ones added regularly. Seemingly at random, using wrong Exchange credentials for an account? Known issue since 2010. Hits one of my clients so often I have a script to rebuild their credentials store. Large mailboxes cached locally randomly corrupt? Known issue for forever, but seemingly happens less often if the OST and PST are stored in a really short path (like C:\Outlook). Most recently the "new and on by default" setting of "Store my Outlook settings in the cloud" impacts random users, repeatedly disabling "Save sent items", despite not having a Microsoft account on the system, and none of the other users of the Exchange mailbox turning off Save sent items. It just syncs it with nothing and picks the stupidest options. https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/outlook-saving-preferences/ https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/outlook-saving-preferences...

chii 5y ago

> Netflix was the one to "solve" piracy with movies/series, where you'd pay a small fee to one company, and get "everything" on one platform the true issue is that such a way to "solve" piracy means less money for the publishers, who are very used to hold a commanding position and they do not wish to give it up. Thus, the current fragmented on-demand video platforms - every publisher from disney, to HBO, wants a piece of the subscriber pie. I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This will remove exclusivity, and let the platforms compete on platform level features.

judge2020 5y ago
> I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This has now been repealed, fyi: https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/7/21358637/movie-theater-antitrust-laws-paramount-consent-decrees-movie-studios-theater-chains-netflix-disney https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/7/21358637/movie-theater-anti... Not that Netflix or Disney would see the "booming" physical theater industry and want to buy in these days.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  > Netflix has finalized a deal to buy Hollywood’s historic Egyptian Theatre for an undisclosed price, closing a transaction that had been in the works for more than a year. https://variety.com/2020/film/news/netflix-hollywood-egyptian-theatre-1234619985/ https://variety.com/2020/film/news/netflix-hollywood-egyptia... Not quite what you meant, but still.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
> I wish the gov't can intervene - like for cinemas, mandate that you either produce, or distribute, but not both. This will remove exclusivity, and let the platforms compete on platform level features. The only thing government needs to do is reduce years of copyright. Everything else will sort itself out.
BrandoElFollito 5y ago
The govt mandated that in France the TV channels cannot broadcast movies on Saturday. Then came Netflix, non-national channels, streaming, torrents and what not but the rule stayed the same. While, as a French, I strongly support govt interventionism, there are plenty of cases where they happily belive it is still 1990. And don't get me started with the use of govt Internet services which are terrible.