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I see it in older folks. They dont care at all about any of it because they have literally been told since the 60/70s that theres only X more years before Y hap

I see it in older folks. They dont care at all about any of it because they have literally been told since the 60/70s that theres only X more years before Y happens, and every single time the date passes and the dire prognostication does not occur. Its crisis fatigue

cogman10 5y ago
Well, the problem is the dire prognostications, particularly as of late, HAVE been occurring. Flooding, extreme weather, excess hurricanes, super droughts, formerly once every 100 year events have been happening nearly yearly. The issue is it's now somewhat normalized. The other issue is it's only going to get more extreme. Don't buy beachfront property.
- nanis 5y ago
  > Don't buy beachfront property. I've been waiting for prime beachfront bargains for almost 30 years now.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    You'll never see it. People will sell their homes after all the flooding happens, not before. At that point, there's no beach.
    - mhh__ 5y ago
      Someone should tell Ben Shapiro that!
    - baobabKoodaa 5y ago
      Who are they going to sell them to? Aquaman?
- rufus_foreman 5y ago
  I guess I'm one of the "older folks" the parent post was talking about, and the "dire prognostications" I grew up with were much more severe than any of that. I grew up with things like the population explosion predictions of the 1970s, that mass famine would kill hundreds of millions and that famine would spread to industrialized countries. That was when the population of the world was under 4 billion. Things like Erlich's bet that commodity prices would skyrocket. The Hubbert peak theory for oil, anyone remember the Oil Drum blog? And of course many, many permutations of, "if we don't do X by date Y, it will be too late for humanity. Won't somebody please think of the children"? Y is usually at least 10 years out, 8 years is a pretty bold departure for this genre. I don't pay much attention to doom porn anymore, I guess I'm glad that the end of the world keeps getting pushed back for a few more years.
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  - nradov 5y ago
    We are starting to see crop yields decline in some tropical countries due to drought and higher temperatures. This is one factor behind unrest and migration in Central America and the Middle East.
    - cogman10 5y ago
      Not just tropical. The western states are looking at historic droughts right now. This year is going to see some pretty poor crop yields. All indicators are this is something that's going to continue for several years.
    - rufus_foreman 5y ago
      >> We are starting to see crop yields decline in some tropical countries We are seeing crop yields rise in other tropical countries. The prediction wasn't that crop yields would fall in some countries and rise in others with the overall result being steadily increasing food production per capita through the 2020's. The prediction was massive famine with hundreds of millions dead in the 1970s spreading to the industrialized world by 2000. And the prediction wasn't based on climate change, it was based on simple population growth. We currently have the lowest percentage of people living in absolute poverty in all of human history. And the birth rate is under the replacement birth rate almost everywhere outside of Africa. The doom population explosion scenario that was predicted simply did not happen. Technology won.
nathanaldensr 5y ago
Is it accurate to call it "crisis fatigue" or more accurate to call it "Chicken Little fatigue?" It's reasonable to assume this time is not different when in the past the warnings were just as dire and just as apocalyptic. In other words, it's quite rational to respond this way.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > Chicken Little fatigue To use a different fable, let me point out that the moral of "The boy who cried wolf" isn't that you shouldn't listen to liars, it's that if you get used to ignoring warnings you'll eventually end up with no sheep.
  - mdmdkdkd 5y ago
    The moral is two fold and you got half of it. The other half is that if you exaggerate dangers for too long and the dangers never come, nobody can be expected to take you seriously when you warn them of the arrival of real danger
MattGaiser 5y ago
Is this what has been happening or have the dire prognostications been different over time and just mashed together by the media/people not remembering the details? In 1980, was the prediction that there would be experiencing the consequences of climate change, such as coral bleaching? As that is happening now. So warning that we need to avoid climate change for the past 50 years makes perfect sense. This is not a singular disaster, but rather a sliding scale.

cogman10 5y ago

Well, the problem is the dire prognostications, particularly as of late, HAVE been occurring. Flooding, extreme weather, excess hurricanes, super droughts, formerly once every 100 year events have been happening nearly yearly. The issue is it's now somewhat normalized. The other issue is it's only going to get more extreme. Don't buy beachfront property.

nanis 5y ago
> Don't buy beachfront property. I've been waiting for prime beachfront bargains for almost 30 years now.
- cogman10 5y ago
  You'll never see it. People will sell their homes after all the flooding happens, not before. At that point, there's no beach.
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    Someone should tell Ben Shapiro that!
  - baobabKoodaa 5y ago
    Who are they going to sell them to? Aquaman?
rufus_foreman 5y ago
I guess I'm one of the "older folks" the parent post was talking about, and the "dire prognostications" I grew up with were much more severe than any of that. I grew up with things like the population explosion predictions of the 1970s, that mass famine would kill hundreds of millions and that famine would spread to industrialized countries. That was when the population of the world was under 4 billion. Things like Erlich's bet that commodity prices would skyrocket. The Hubbert peak theory for oil, anyone remember the Oil Drum blog? And of course many, many permutations of, "if we don't do X by date Y, it will be too late for humanity. Won't somebody please think of the children"? Y is usually at least 10 years out, 8 years is a pretty bold departure for this genre. I don't pay much attention to doom porn anymore, I guess I'm glad that the end of the world keeps getting pushed back for a few more years.
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- nradov 5y ago
  We are starting to see crop yields decline in some tropical countries due to drought and higher temperatures. This is one factor behind unrest and migration in Central America and the Middle East.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    Not just tropical. The western states are looking at historic droughts right now. This year is going to see some pretty poor crop yields. All indicators are this is something that's going to continue for several years.
  - rufus_foreman 5y ago
    >> We are starting to see crop yields decline in some tropical countries We are seeing crop yields rise in other tropical countries. The prediction wasn't that crop yields would fall in some countries and rise in others with the overall result being steadily increasing food production per capita through the 2020's. The prediction was massive famine with hundreds of millions dead in the 1970s spreading to the industrialized world by 2000. And the prediction wasn't based on climate change, it was based on simple population growth. We currently have the lowest percentage of people living in absolute poverty in all of human history. And the birth rate is under the replacement birth rate almost everywhere outside of Africa. The doom population explosion scenario that was predicted simply did not happen. Technology won.

nathanaldensr 5y ago

Is it accurate to call it "crisis fatigue" or more accurate to call it "Chicken Little fatigue?" It's reasonable to assume this time is not different when in the past the warnings were just as dire and just as apocalyptic. In other words, it's quite rational to respond this way.

dane-pgp 5y ago
> Chicken Little fatigue To use a different fable, let me point out that the moral of "The boy who cried wolf" isn't that you shouldn't listen to liars, it's that if you get used to ignoring warnings you'll eventually end up with no sheep.
- mdmdkdkd 5y ago
  The moral is two fold and you got half of it. The other half is that if you exaggerate dangers for too long and the dangers never come, nobody can be expected to take you seriously when you warn them of the arrival of real danger

MattGaiser 5y ago

Is this what has been happening or have the dire prognostications been different over time and just mashed together by the media/people not remembering the details? In 1980, was the prediction that there would be experiencing the consequences of climate change, such as coral bleaching? As that is happening now. So warning that we need to avoid climate change for the past 50 years makes perfect sense. This is not a singular disaster, but rather a sliding scale.