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What a disingenuous PoS. Honestly, fuck this clown and the horse he rode in on. Anyone telling you that giving you a smaller slice of the pie is for your own be

by abxytg 5y ago

What a disingenuous PoS. Honestly, fuck this clown and the horse he rode in on. Anyone telling you that giving you a smaller slice of the pie is for your own benefit is getting one over on you. The best hot take I have heard on this subject is that engineers are not paid too much. Everyone, including eng, is underpaid WRT rising revenues and exec comp. Of course the pushback comes from CEOs because they are hoarding revenue. I hire. I know it sucks and is hard and you have to pay an arm and a leg to do it. But do you know how much a fucking house goes for these days? Do you know how long it takes to save for a downpayment on $150k? Get the fuck out of here "helping the younger generation" by stagnating salaries.

BrianOnHN 5y ago
I couldn't have said it better myself.
djanogo 5y ago
You know he is full of it because tech jobs salary is wide spectrum, if he wants to pay low price and his work is simple enough he can pick a outsourcing company which will give him the lowest price for that work. What this clown is complaining is he wants complex work done at low price while wanting his company to get to PE 15-30x so they can get out of it as millionaires/billionaires.
lostlogin 5y ago
The company is the cliche of the evil mega Corp. “When NBC News first approached AnyVision for an interview, CEO Eylon Etshtein denied any knowledge of "Google Ayosh," threatened to sue NBC News and said that AnyVision was the “most ethical company known to man.” He disputed that the West Bank was “occupied” and questioned the motivation of the NBC News inquiry, suggesting the reporter must have been funded by a Palestinian activist group.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/why-did-microsoft-fund-israeli-firm-surveils-west-bank-palestinians-n1072116 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/why-did-microsoft-fund-isra...
s5300 5y ago
I'm personally pissed I went Mechanical Engineering at this point. Original plan was to go Mechanical Engineering bachelor's and Electrical Engineering masters. In the end, the pay for both of those careers is kinda complete shit for what you do to get the degree, unless you manage to happily completely bullshit yourself through everything and don't let it weigh on your conscience. SWE is... arguably easier than both Mech E and Elec E in my mind, and the option for remote work has always been much, much higher. And the starting pay is... about 2.5x more, at a minimum, to begin with - and if you want to be a dick, and know how to interview FAANG and the like, you can hop company to company, do basically nothing and make that pay for 4-6 months before you're found out. And not to mention the benefits... I can't understand why there's not more of an outrage. It's insane. I simply can't tell any high schooler that an engineering degree outside of SWE, and maybe a highly focused aerospace degree, is worth it for the foreseeable future.
- analog31 5y ago
  While it seems easy to us, that's survivor bias. Turns out not everybody can learn to program well enough to do it for money.
  - mwigdahl 5y ago
    I'd venture that 90% of folks who are able to get a physical engineering degree and get a job doing engineering work would be able to learn programming well enough to get paid for it.
- bookofsand 5y ago
  I went SWE and I'm p**ed that Mechanical Engineering pays 2.5 less. It destroys the know-how basis of this country, if not the world. Might as well call it the Tech Disease, modeling upon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease.
- jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago
  You can be pissed off, but make sure you're pissed off at your employer for not paying you more rather than fellow engineers for earning more.
jdhn 5y ago
>Do you know how long it takes to save for a downpayment on $150k? Tell me you live in the Bay Area without telling me you live in the Bay Area. Snark aside, unless you have massive debt, live in an expensive metro area (SF, LA, NYC), or a combination of both, if you can't save up a sizeable down payment while earning $150k then that issue is on you.
- tlackemann 5y ago
  I live in NJ. I can't afford a house with a $200k+ salary because every house that's even half-way decent is either outside my price range or is bought up in cash above asking price. Must be nice to be so cushioned from reality.
  - jdhn 5y ago
    In that case you need to look harder, our outside your current area. I'm from Jersey, $200k salary should give you lots of options especially in central or south Jersey.
    - tlackemann 5y ago
      Thanks, I'm cured. Ever consider people have families? Have families they're planning on having? Yeah, moving to central or South Jersey wouldn't work. That's why I live where I do now ... Keep preaching from that ivory tower of yours
      - mkw2000 5y ago
        Grew up in central Jersey, I would have no issue raising my kid there whatsoever.
        tlackemann 5y ago
        Cool. My family lives on LI and my other half of the family doesn't live in Central Jersey. I swear, everyone posting with "BUT I CAN AFFORD IT" is absolutely tone deaf to the US housing crisis we're in.
dang 5y ago
Please don't fulminate or call names on HN. You may not owe a tech CEO better, but you owe this community better if you're participating here. Please review the site guidelines and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- abxytg 5y ago
  I'm sorry, I will do better to follow these guidelines and I apologize for violating them. I do have to say -- I have to question why this comment deserves a personal censure from staff. I read a lot questionable stuff in these comment sections and this is the first time I can recall seeing a personal response like this. I mean I'm talking railing against feminism as a concept and proposing eugenicist solutions to "crime in SF". I guess I must be seeing the comments before the mod team steps in and of course I will make sure to flag them in the future. I appreciate the work you do and of course am not questioning your personal integrity.
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  - dang 5y ago
    The answer is randomness. We don't come close to reading or even seeing all the posts here—there are far too many. Basically, it's the same boring reason as why cops don't pull over every speeder. Of course it always feels like you're the one being singled out when you do get cited (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) - but this is an illusion! So when you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. And yes, you can definitely help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
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BrianOnHN 5y ago

I couldn't have said it better myself.

djanogo 5y ago

You know he is full of it because tech jobs salary is wide spectrum, if he wants to pay low price and his work is simple enough he can pick a outsourcing company which will give him the lowest price for that work. What this clown is complaining is he wants complex work done at low price while wanting his company to get to PE 15-30x so they can get out of it as millionaires/billionaires.

lostlogin 5y ago

The company is the cliche of the evil mega Corp. “When NBC News first approached AnyVision for an interview, CEO Eylon Etshtein denied any knowledge of "Google Ayosh," threatened to sue NBC News and said that AnyVision was the “most ethical company known to man.” He disputed that the West Bank was “occupied” and questioned the motivation of the NBC News inquiry, suggesting the reporter must have been funded by a Palestinian activist group.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/why-did-microsoft-fund-israeli-firm-surveils-west-bank-palestinians-n1072116 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/why-did-microsoft-fund-isra...

s5300 5y ago

I'm personally pissed I went Mechanical Engineering at this point. Original plan was to go Mechanical Engineering bachelor's and Electrical Engineering masters. In the end, the pay for both of those careers is kinda complete shit for what you do to get the degree, unless you manage to happily completely bullshit yourself through everything and don't let it weigh on your conscience. SWE is... arguably easier than both Mech E and Elec E in my mind, and the option for remote work has always been much, much higher. And the starting pay is... about 2.5x more, at a minimum, to begin with - and if you want to be a dick, and know how to interview FAANG and the like, you can hop company to company, do basically nothing and make that pay for 4-6 months before you're found out. And not to mention the benefits... I can't understand why there's not more of an outrage. It's insane. I simply can't tell any high schooler that an engineering degree outside of SWE, and maybe a highly focused aerospace degree, is worth it for the foreseeable future.

analog31 5y ago
While it seems easy to us, that's survivor bias. Turns out not everybody can learn to program well enough to do it for money.
- mwigdahl 5y ago
  I'd venture that 90% of folks who are able to get a physical engineering degree and get a job doing engineering work would be able to learn programming well enough to get paid for it.
bookofsand 5y ago
I went SWE and I'm p**ed that Mechanical Engineering pays 2.5 less. It destroys the know-how basis of this country, if not the world. Might as well call it the Tech Disease, modeling upon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease.
jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago
You can be pissed off, but make sure you're pissed off at your employer for not paying you more rather than fellow engineers for earning more.

jdhn 5y ago

>Do you know how long it takes to save for a downpayment on $150k? Tell me you live in the Bay Area without telling me you live in the Bay Area. Snark aside, unless you have massive debt, live in an expensive metro area (SF, LA, NYC), or a combination of both, if you can't save up a sizeable down payment while earning $150k then that issue is on you.

tlackemann 5y ago
I live in NJ. I can't afford a house with a $200k+ salary because every house that's even half-way decent is either outside my price range or is bought up in cash above asking price. Must be nice to be so cushioned from reality.
- jdhn 5y ago
  In that case you need to look harder, our outside your current area. I'm from Jersey, $200k salary should give you lots of options especially in central or south Jersey.
  - tlackemann 5y ago
    Thanks, I'm cured. Ever consider people have families? Have families they're planning on having? Yeah, moving to central or South Jersey wouldn't work. That's why I live where I do now ... Keep preaching from that ivory tower of yours
    - mkw2000 5y ago
      Grew up in central Jersey, I would have no issue raising my kid there whatsoever.
      - tlackemann 5y ago
        Cool. My family lives on LI and my other half of the family doesn't live in Central Jersey. I swear, everyone posting with "BUT I CAN AFFORD IT" is absolutely tone deaf to the US housing crisis we're in.

dang 5y ago

Please don't fulminate or call names on HN. You may not owe a tech CEO better, but you owe this community better if you're participating here. Please review the site guidelines and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

abxytg 5y ago
I'm sorry, I will do better to follow these guidelines and I apologize for violating them. I do have to say -- I have to question why this comment deserves a personal censure from staff. I read a lot questionable stuff in these comment sections and this is the first time I can recall seeing a personal response like this. I mean I'm talking railing against feminism as a concept and proposing eugenicist solutions to "crime in SF". I guess I must be seeing the comments before the mod team steps in and of course I will make sure to flag them in the future. I appreciate the work you do and of course am not questioning your personal integrity.
- deleted 5y ago
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- dang 5y ago
  The answer is randomness. We don't come close to reading or even seeing all the posts here—there are far too many. Basically, it's the same boring reason as why cops don't pull over every speeder. Of course it always feels like you're the one being singled out when you do get cited (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22always%20feels%22%20mods%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) - but this is an illusion! So when you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. And yes, you can definitely help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
  - abxytg 5y ago