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Your wrong. That's like saying a taxi cab driver who drove a criminal to a place where he committed a murder is partly responsible for the crime. The virus is

Your wrong. That's like saying a taxi cab driver who drove a criminal to a place where he committed a murder is partly responsible for the crime. The virus is the thing that's causing harm. You can't blame an individual for being skeptical about a vaccine (that has more voluntarily reports of causing harm than any other vaccine in recent history, btw) that's experimental, and unapproved. Also, the science is in on there being an effective treatment, therefore emergency use isn't even warranted. Seems cut and dry to me .

disgruntledphd2 5y ago
> more voluntarily reports of causing harm than any other vaccine in recent history, btw Given the amount of doses administered, we would expect this, right? Or are you making the claim that the proportions are higher?
- bananabiscuit 5y ago
  According to https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compen... from 2006-2019 alone, about 4 billion vaccines were administered in the US. Compared to something like 200 million COVID vaccinations so far. Yet, if you look at the VAERS data, 2021 had more all-cause deaths after vaccinations than the previous 20 years combined. Also had more miscarriages after vaccination than the previous 20 years combined. Keep in mind also we are only a little over half way through 2021. Run the queries and see for yourself, https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    "Run the queries and see for yourself" Be sure to ignore the big disclaimer on that page, though, right? > The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
    - bananabiscuit 5y ago
      My main paint, which I mention in many of my posts about this topic, but sometimes forget to include, is that there are peculiar signs in the data, and that these signs have to be acknowledged, followed up on and investigated, and some conclusions have to be drawn by people with the expertise to do so, and they have to be transparent about how those conclusions were drawn. Instead everyone is sticking their head in the sand, except right wing pundits, who I think are all idiots and drawing their own incorrect conclusions because they aren’t experts.
Marcus9 5y ago
Hilarious comparison, because it's actually like holding a getaway driver responsible... which is exactly how the law does work. The taxi cab driver would be relevant in February of 2020 when it was new and unknown. If you're going out in public today unvaccinated, you're knowingly complicit in spreading covid.
- off_sounder 5y ago
  Wrong again, bc you're leaving out intent. People aren't taking the vaccine bc they don't want to inadvertantly put themselves in harm's way, not bc they want to infect other people. Or maybe they're like me, and have already been infected with mild symptoms. Have you noticed that no one talks about natural immunity anymore, btw? Again, anyone who has seen the VAERS data, and doesn't think twice about getting the vaccine, is just plain reckless.
TulliusCicero 5y ago
Your analogy would hold if there was a way for taxi drivers to vaccinate against transporting criminals who are in the middle of committing a crime.

disgruntledphd2 5y ago

> more voluntarily reports of causing harm than any other vaccine in recent history, btw Given the amount of doses administered, we would expect this, right? Or are you making the claim that the proportions are higher?

bananabiscuit 5y ago
According to https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compen... from 2006-2019 alone, about 4 billion vaccines were administered in the US. Compared to something like 200 million COVID vaccinations so far. Yet, if you look at the VAERS data, 2021 had more all-cause deaths after vaccinations than the previous 20 years combined. Also had more miscarriages after vaccination than the previous 20 years combined. Keep in mind also we are only a little over half way through 2021. Run the queries and see for yourself, https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  "Run the queries and see for yourself" Be sure to ignore the big disclaimer on that page, though, right? > The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
  - bananabiscuit 5y ago
    My main paint, which I mention in many of my posts about this topic, but sometimes forget to include, is that there are peculiar signs in the data, and that these signs have to be acknowledged, followed up on and investigated, and some conclusions have to be drawn by people with the expertise to do so, and they have to be transparent about how those conclusions were drawn. Instead everyone is sticking their head in the sand, except right wing pundits, who I think are all idiots and drawing their own incorrect conclusions because they aren’t experts.

Marcus9 5y ago

Hilarious comparison, because it's actually like holding a getaway driver responsible... which is exactly how the law does work. The taxi cab driver would be relevant in February of 2020 when it was new and unknown. If you're going out in public today unvaccinated, you're knowingly complicit in spreading covid.

off_sounder 5y ago
Wrong again, bc you're leaving out intent. People aren't taking the vaccine bc they don't want to inadvertantly put themselves in harm's way, not bc they want to infect other people. Or maybe they're like me, and have already been infected with mild symptoms. Have you noticed that no one talks about natural immunity anymore, btw? Again, anyone who has seen the VAERS data, and doesn't think twice about getting the vaccine, is just plain reckless.

TulliusCicero 5y ago

Your analogy would hold if there was a way for taxi drivers to vaccinate against transporting criminals who are in the middle of committing a crime.