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Rich people don't go to jail.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Mostly because rich people can pay someone else to mail cockroaches to their enemies instead of getting their own hands dirty.
- deleted 5y ago
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- pope_meat 5y ago
  Damn, how do I get in to the cockroach mailing business, that sounds like a good gig.
  - tartoran 5y ago
    Join a corp hierarchy and be a pleaser.
  - rrauenza 5y ago
    You can make a lot of money. Dubia roaches for reptiles seemed in a bit of a shortage a few months ago. Dubias (where legal) won't breed outside of captivity, so you don't have to worry about escapees.
javajosh 5y ago
"Rich people don't go to jail" is a tautology masquerading as cynicism. In a world where nothing happens unless it's paid for, then it follows that more happens when there is more money involved. This includes criminal defense, where more money means more defensive moves which, in general, means a better defense. For the record, I think this is a strong argument for a world where things happen despite you not paying for them, and to level the playing field (spending) in a few key areas, like legal defense and political speech. Imagine if even rich people were forced to use the public defender; you would see an immediate improvement in their quality!
- tartoran 5y ago
  Rich people are doing eachother favors, nothing that poor people do without connections. Nothing else can help as much though good defense helps as well but even that comes with favors between prosecutors, attorneys and other officials. If the tree shakes off money there is a way around to take. In few circumstances it doesn’t work out..
fundad 5y ago
The "former eBay employee" was pretty high up in eBay security operations and also a former police Captain and they don't come cheap. He's less rich than the CEO but can definitely afford more than the paltry $15,000 fine.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I have felt for awhile that all societies fees/fines should be tied to income/asset level.
- jwilber 5y ago
  “Less rich” - probably about as rich as every FAANG employee reading this. Definitely a different tier than OP’s “rich don’t go to jail” communicated imo.
adventured 5y ago
Rich people do go to jail. These are just some of the bigger, more famous fish - John Kapoor, Bernie Ebbers, Scott Sullivan, Jeff Skilling, Martin Grass, John and Timothy Rigas, Bernie Madoff, Michael Milken, Richard Scrushy, Joseph Nacchio, Martha Stewart, Ivan Boesky, Jordan Belfort, Sanjay Kumar, Allen Stanford, Raj Rajaratnam, Walter Forbes, Eddie Antar, Dennis Kozlowski, Sam Waksal, Alfred Taubman, Russell Wasendorf, Samuel Israel III, Stewart Parnell, Chris Collins, Kareem Serageldin, Andrew Fastow, Charles Keating, Martin Shkreli, Barry Minkow, Michael Steinberg, Phil Spector, Bill Cosby, Michael Avenatti, Harvey Weinstein, Suge Knight, Jeffrey Epstein, Ken Lay (escaped prison by dying) To this list you can add hundreds of bankers from the Savings & Loan crisis that went to prison, and a large number of famous embezzlement cases involving large sums (eg John Doorly, Sujata Sachdeva, Melissa King, Omino Siddiqui). It's too bad the Obama Admin intentionally chose not to pursue almost any prosecutions after the most recent financial crisis, or you could probably staple many more names to this list. One of the greatest avoid-jail corporate hand-outs in US history, representing hyper corruption at the highest levels.
- leereeves 5y ago
  I assume you're being downvoted for the claim about Obama, so here's a source: > The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouc...
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    Not because of the Obama (or Trump or the number of other presidents who have protected the wealthy). The number of famous names is easily matched by the conviction rulings in any given city by those of modest or minimal means.
    - leereeves 5y ago
      Sure, but the number of famous people in the world is a tiny fraction of the number of people of modest or minimal means. For the number of rich people (1%-ers) who go to jail to be similar to the number of poor people who go to jail, every rich person in the US would have to go to jail, simply because there are, by definition, 99x as many non-1%-ers.

Mostly because rich people can pay someone else to mail cockroaches to their enemies instead of getting their own hands dirty.

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pope_meat 5y ago
Damn, how do I get in to the cockroach mailing business, that sounds like a good gig.
- tartoran 5y ago
  Join a corp hierarchy and be a pleaser.
- rrauenza 5y ago
  You can make a lot of money. Dubia roaches for reptiles seemed in a bit of a shortage a few months ago. Dubias (where legal) won't breed outside of captivity, so you don't have to worry about escapees.

javajosh 5y ago

"Rich people don't go to jail" is a tautology masquerading as cynicism. In a world where nothing happens unless it's paid for, then it follows that more happens when there is more money involved. This includes criminal defense, where more money means more defensive moves which, in general, means a better defense. For the record, I think this is a strong argument for a world where things happen despite you not paying for them, and to level the playing field (spending) in a few key areas, like legal defense and political speech. Imagine if even rich people were forced to use the public defender; you would see an immediate improvement in their quality!

tartoran 5y ago
Rich people are doing eachother favors, nothing that poor people do without connections. Nothing else can help as much though good defense helps as well but even that comes with favors between prosecutors, attorneys and other officials. If the tree shakes off money there is a way around to take. In few circumstances it doesn’t work out..

fundad 5y ago

The "former eBay employee" was pretty high up in eBay security operations and also a former police Captain and they don't come cheap. He's less rich than the CEO but can definitely afford more than the paltry $15,000 fine.

hellbannedguy 5y ago
I have felt for awhile that all societies fees/fines should be tied to income/asset level.
jwilber 5y ago
“Less rich” - probably about as rich as every FAANG employee reading this. Definitely a different tier than OP’s “rich don’t go to jail” communicated imo.

adventured 5y ago

Rich people do go to jail. These are just some of the bigger, more famous fish - John Kapoor, Bernie Ebbers, Scott Sullivan, Jeff Skilling, Martin Grass, John and Timothy Rigas, Bernie Madoff, Michael Milken, Richard Scrushy, Joseph Nacchio, Martha Stewart, Ivan Boesky, Jordan Belfort, Sanjay Kumar, Allen Stanford, Raj Rajaratnam, Walter Forbes, Eddie Antar, Dennis Kozlowski, Sam Waksal, Alfred Taubman, Russell Wasendorf, Samuel Israel III, Stewart Parnell, Chris Collins, Kareem Serageldin, Andrew Fastow, Charles Keating, Martin Shkreli, Barry Minkow, Michael Steinberg, Phil Spector, Bill Cosby, Michael Avenatti, Harvey Weinstein, Suge Knight, Jeffrey Epstein, Ken Lay (escaped prison by dying) To this list you can add hundreds of bankers from the Savings & Loan crisis that went to prison, and a large number of famous embezzlement cases involving large sums (eg John Doorly, Sujata Sachdeva, Melissa King, Omino Siddiqui). It's too bad the Obama Admin intentionally chose not to pursue almost any prosecutions after the most recent financial crisis, or you could probably staple many more names to this list. One of the greatest avoid-jail corporate hand-outs in US history, representing hyper corruption at the highest levels.

leereeves 5y ago
I assume you're being downvoted for the claim about Obama, so here's a source: > The Untouchables: How the Obama administration protected Wall Street from prosecutions https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wall-street-prosecutions-obama https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouc...
- Supermancho 5y ago
  Not because of the Obama (or Trump or the number of other presidents who have protected the wealthy). The number of famous names is easily matched by the conviction rulings in any given city by those of modest or minimal means.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Sure, but the number of famous people in the world is a tiny fraction of the number of people of modest or minimal means. For the number of rich people (1%-ers) who go to jail to be similar to the number of poor people who go to jail, every rich person in the US would have to go to jail, simply because there are, by definition, 99x as many non-1%-ers.