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Are you going to make the same post for every nytimes article? Like yeah I guess we can dismiss the entire investigative and reporting output of the nytimes bec
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Are you going to make the same post for every nytimes article? Like yeah I guess we can dismiss the entire investigative and reporting output of the nytimes because of a troll post from a dumpster tier brietbart wannabe about how the nytimes cleaned up its advertising business?
The most frightening thing is that views like this are the ultimate goal of the type of propaganda we're seeing. Convincing you of fact X is secondary. The main goal is to convince you that nobody knows the facts. They want to diminish your belief in institutions, like journalism, education, medicine, and democracy.
- no-dr-onboard 5y agoTo be fair, just because you've noticed this user posting the same fact in various places doesn't imply that it isn't useful to _someone_. This is my first time seeing OPs post on this. I found it to be useful.
- txtx7 5y agoYeah, I knew Free Beacon was a far-right tabloid but didn't know it was founded by John McCain's 2008 deputy communications director, so it's useful to see it pasted again. Their editor in chief is a former Fox New producer too!
- kenjackson 5y ago100% this. There is this push, which seems mostly from the right, to say, "do your own research. you can't trust mainstream news media!". Yet they'll then push tweets from random people as facts. Even this example of news reporting doesn't point to a single article/advertisement? Were these articles denying facts about the Uyghurs or were they about the rising popularity of cruises available on the eastern seaboard of China? The article tells me virtually nothing and provides little in the way of actual proof (although I'm inclined to believe they did stop state sponsored editorial advertising). And reading a bunch of sources and forming your own opinion is hardly an improvement when you read Breitbart, the Washington Examiner and the NY Post and feel like you've done your due diligence.
- tablespoon 5y ago> There is this push, which seems mostly from the right, to say, "do your own research. you can't trust mainstream news media!". Yet they'll then push tweets from random people as facts. Which is an attitude that makes one far more vulnerable to the kind of disinformation-for-hire the OP describes (a lot of it is astroturf, fake fact-checking, fake personal accounts of "what's really going on", etc.). However, many people here aren't discussing the OP, but using the word "disinformation" in the title as an excuse bring up some hobby horse complaint.
- FeteCommuniste 5y agoWhen Millennials were kids, our parents told us not to trust what we read on the Internet. Then they ended up swallowing whole every nutty article passed around by their Facebook friends.
- vmception 5y agoIts almost like parents are fallible people too and simply provided a cautionary tale
- minsc__and__boo 5y agoI've heard it as, "You can't trust everything you see on TV" Yet the same people saying that now trust everything they want to believe in on the internet.
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoFor an article about "disinformation for hire", do you actually not see the relevance of shrubble's point? The NY Times is taking money to spread Chinese disinformation; how is that possibly irrelevant to a discussion of disinformation for hire?
- andreilys 5y agoIt’s disingenuous to talk about disinformation in one context and not mention the capture of newspaper outlets, either through advertisers or conflicts of interest with other business units. You really think an outlet receiving $XM from Huawei will post anything negative? Just look at all the China stories that were spiked by Bloomberg because they didn’t want to threaten their bloomberg terminal business.
- 908B64B197 5y agoThat's exactly the response the CCP would want to appear right below that comment. What a coincidence!
- no-dr-onboard 5y agoThat's exactly the response the CCP would want you to think that they would post right below that comment.
- CountDrewku 5y ago>The most frightening thing is that views like this are the ultimate goal of the type of propaganda we're seeing Why is this the de facto response to anything the far left dislikes? Sorry, but disagreement with their strange ideological cultish beliefs isn't always propaganda and/or racism. What's really frightening is the authoritarian rhetoric coming from their followers anytime someone points out the hypocrisy of these main stream media organizations. >Are you going to make the same post for every nytimes article? Yeah that's how you fight disinformation and make sure your point is heard. You just don't like it when it gets used against disinformation you prefer. Why is it ok to post multiple articles on HN about "disinformation" but not ok to respond to them the same way multiple times? Also, I'm not sure how your comment is still unflagged since it's breaking all sorts of HN's flamewar rules....