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> Severe Illness: Individuals who have SpO2 <94% on room air at sea level, a ratio of arterial partial pressure of oxygen to fraction of inspired oxygen (PaO2/F
by version_five 5y ago
> Severe Illness: Individuals who have SpO2 <94% on room air at sea level, a ratio of arterial partial pressure of oxygen to fraction of inspired oxygen (PaO2/FiO2) <300 mm Hg, respiratory frequency >30 breaths/min, or lung infiltrates >50%.
Isn't the point that levels below severe are not generally fatal and don't require hospitalization. Nobody thinks it's good to get sick, but it generally ceases to be a threat to public health with vaccination.
- lugged 5y agoSure if you don't think permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. The severity of mild covid is still potentially long lasting and I'm willing to guess elderly aren't going to handle it well. Letting covid become endemic could reduce our life expecty considerably.
- version_five 5y ago> Sure if you don't think permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. I'm confused by this comment. I do think they are a problem, that's why I am encouraged by a vaccine that reduces covid to something that is not life threatening and that we can stop freaking out about.
- throwawayboise 5y agoIt always was that for the vast majority of people.
- audiometry 5y ago3mn Indian souls would disagree
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- 55555 5y agoThat's a terrible loss, practically a genocide, but to be fair the parent said "the vast majority of people" and there's 1.4 billion people in India. In India, 151,000 people die every year just from car accidents, and ~4 million die each year from heart disease.
- kadoban 5y agoIsn't covid already endemic?
- lugged 5y agoSome claim it can still be irradicated. But those people get banned on YouTube for saying bad words so you probably won't believe me.
- kadoban 5y agoDo they say how? Doesn't seem like it even makes sense anymore. I'm going to guess based on your youtube wording that their answer is not vaccines?
- RalfWausE 5y ago"Do they say how?" I am relatively certain this is the reason they are banned from youtube... i have seen a (now removed) video from a crank on youtube who suggested saturation bombing of high incidence areas might be the solution...
- rolleiflex 5y agoI chuckled at this. Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/
- bsdetector 5y agoBret Weinstein has been citing studies he claims show that ivermectin reduces spread such that even close family members are unlikely to be infected from a person with covid. edit: curious how hn readers feel they will be able to correct misguided beliefs if they don't even know what those beliefs are.
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- pas 5y ago> permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. It's a problem, but we can manage it better than overflowing morgues. Frequent tests, rapid antigen testing (let's say at the entrance of restaurants, clubs, festivals), encouraging people who feel ill to stay the fuck away from others, and so on.
- gibba999 5y agoThe million dollar questions include: - Long COVID post-vaccine. >10% of people have brain damage visible on MRIs, including mild cases. - Future mutations. People have been overly optimistic for 15 months now, and believed bad things couldn't happen. They do. There's no reason to believe Delta or Gamma are the end, or anywhere close.
- inter_netuser 5y agobrain damage after vaccine, or "mild" disease in vaccinated people? can you point to that MRI imaging? curious to see.
- gibba999 5y agoThis is the major one: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v... This one scared me since it was a large, relatively unbiased sample, with before-and-after imaging. It also showed brain damage even in mild cases of COVID19 in >10% of cases. There are a lot of supporting smaller-scale studies too, replicating the same general result. E.g. https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-causes-brain-damage-even-in-mild-cases/285-eec1cf1c-ee28-4601-8af2-df71252fd340 https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-1... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8066611/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8066611/ If you Google, you'll find dozens of other small-scale studies.
- eloff 5y agoI couldn't find where it talks about vaccinated patients in the study you linked. It's not surprising that covid19 can cause brain damage (and heart damage, and death) to unvaccinated people.
- gibba999 5y agoThat was listed under "The million dollar questions include" I'm now realizing formatting / phrasing was unclear. 1. >10% of mild / asymptomatic cases have brain damage. 2. The million dollar question is whether this includes vaccinated cases. Vaccines reduce hospitalizations and deaths by far more than they do mild and asymptomatic cases.
- dopylitty 5y agoThat may be but it’s not a particularly useful definition on an individual level. If I’m sick in bed for two weeks I can’t work or take care of my family so those mild symptoms very much would be a danger, not to mention the dangers from long COVID which hasn’t been ruled out in vaccinated folks and the dangers of exposing people who can’t be vaccinated.
- kumarvvr 5y agoWhoa, I sometimes get SpO2 around 91 - 94 and I chalk it up to calibration error on cheap SpO2 devices (The ones that clip on to the hand, cost about 20 USD). Have been tested twice per employer requirements and was never positive though.
- rolleiflex 5y agoThe cheap SPO2 devices are calibrated on fair skin. If you have a darker complexion there is a known measurement error. If you are at 91% and feeling fine you are probably fine. Your body has a better SPO2 sensor than anything man-made.
- kumarvvr 5y agoDamn, I am brown and I guess I have to take that as a 3 - 5% error?
- rolleiflex 5y agoThat is correct. See here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18048893/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18048893/