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It’s worth noting that the bar for severe illness is set incredibly high. [1] All of the major symptoms including high fever, cough, severe fatigue, loss of ta
by dopylitty 5y ago
It’s worth noting that the bar for severe illness is set incredibly high. [1]
All of the major symptoms including high fever, cough, severe fatigue, loss of taste/smell, and shortness of breath still count as mild under their definition. This is very much a disease you don’t want to get, even the so called mild version that happens in vaccinated people.
1. https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/clinical-spectrum/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/clin...
- version_five 5y ago> Severe Illness: Individuals who have SpO2 <94% on room air at sea level, a ratio of arterial partial pressure of oxygen to fraction of inspired oxygen (PaO2/FiO2) <300 mm Hg, respiratory frequency >30 breaths/min, or lung infiltrates >50%. Isn't the point that levels below severe are not generally fatal and don't require hospitalization. Nobody thinks it's good to get sick, but it generally ceases to be a threat to public health with vaccination.
- lugged 5y agoSure if you don't think permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. The severity of mild covid is still potentially long lasting and I'm willing to guess elderly aren't going to handle it well. Letting covid become endemic could reduce our life expecty considerably.
- version_five 5y ago> Sure if you don't think permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. I'm confused by this comment. I do think they are a problem, that's why I am encouraged by a vaccine that reduces covid to something that is not life threatening and that we can stop freaking out about.
- throwawayboise 5y agoIt always was that for the vast majority of people.
- audiometry 5y ago3mn Indian souls would disagree
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- 55555 5y agoThat's a terrible loss, practically a genocide, but to be fair the parent said "the vast majority of people" and there's 1.4 billion people in India. In India, 151,000 people die every year just from car accidents, and ~4 million die each year from heart disease.
- kadoban 5y agoIsn't covid already endemic?
- lugged 5y agoSome claim it can still be irradicated. But those people get banned on YouTube for saying bad words so you probably won't believe me.
- kadoban 5y agoDo they say how? Doesn't seem like it even makes sense anymore. I'm going to guess based on your youtube wording that their answer is not vaccines?
- RalfWausE 5y ago"Do they say how?" I am relatively certain this is the reason they are banned from youtube... i have seen a (now removed) video from a crank on youtube who suggested saturation bombing of high incidence areas might be the solution...
- rolleiflex 5y agoI chuckled at this. Reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/
- bsdetector 5y agoBret Weinstein has been citing studies he claims show that ivermectin reduces spread such that even close family members are unlikely to be infected from a person with covid. edit: curious how hn readers feel they will be able to correct misguided beliefs if they don't even know what those beliefs are.
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- pas 5y ago> permanent social distancing and mask wearing is not a problem. It's a problem, but we can manage it better than overflowing morgues. Frequent tests, rapid antigen testing (let's say at the entrance of restaurants, clubs, festivals), encouraging people who feel ill to stay the fuck away from others, and so on.
- gibba999 5y agoThe million dollar questions include: - Long COVID post-vaccine. >10% of people have brain damage visible on MRIs, including mild cases. - Future mutations. People have been overly optimistic for 15 months now, and believed bad things couldn't happen. They do. There's no reason to believe Delta or Gamma are the end, or anywhere close.
- inter_netuser 5y agobrain damage after vaccine, or "mild" disease in vaccinated people? can you point to that MRI imaging? curious to see.
- gibba999 5y agoThis is the major one: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v... This one scared me since it was a large, relatively unbiased sample, with before-and-after imaging. It also showed brain damage even in mild cases of COVID19 in >10% of cases. There are a lot of supporting smaller-scale studies too, replicating the same general result. E.g. https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-causes-brain-damage-even-in-mild-cases/285-eec1cf1c-ee28-4601-8af2-df71252fd340 https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-1... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8066611/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8066611/ If you Google, you'll find dozens of other small-scale studies.
- eloff 5y agoI couldn't find where it talks about vaccinated patients in the study you linked. It's not surprising that covid19 can cause brain damage (and heart damage, and death) to unvaccinated people.
- gibba999 5y agoThat was listed under "The million dollar questions include" I'm now realizing formatting / phrasing was unclear. 1. >10% of mild / asymptomatic cases have brain damage. 2. The million dollar question is whether this includes vaccinated cases. Vaccines reduce hospitalizations and deaths by far more than they do mild and asymptomatic cases.
- dopylitty 5y agoThat may be but it’s not a particularly useful definition on an individual level. If I’m sick in bed for two weeks I can’t work or take care of my family so those mild symptoms very much would be a danger, not to mention the dangers from long COVID which hasn’t been ruled out in vaccinated folks and the dangers of exposing people who can’t be vaccinated.
- kumarvvr 5y agoWhoa, I sometimes get SpO2 around 91 - 94 and I chalk it up to calibration error on cheap SpO2 devices (The ones that clip on to the hand, cost about 20 USD). Have been tested twice per employer requirements and was never positive though.
- rolleiflex 5y agoThe cheap SPO2 devices are calibrated on fair skin. If you have a darker complexion there is a known measurement error. If you are at 91% and feeling fine you are probably fine. Your body has a better SPO2 sensor than anything man-made.
- kumarvvr 5y agoDamn, I am brown and I guess I have to take that as a 3 - 5% error?
- rolleiflex 5y agoThat is correct. See here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18048893/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18048893/
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoI had COVID before the lockdowns. It wasn't apparent to me until I started hearing about the symptoms. The fatigue was awful, but on top of that, the night my fever broke I was laying down on my bed during February with a window open and no sheets covering me. All while hyperventilating. I kinda thought this was a weird flu but fortunately I didn't have to worry up front about potential death while having it. Worst case scenario I just wouldn't have woken up.
- codr7 5y agoYeah, me too. I traveled by bus all the way from Southern Italy to Sweden just before the virus hit the news, and fell sick with the same symptoms for about a week from the day I arrived. The fever was nasty, but the one thing I remember most is lying there alone in the middle of the night feeling like I wasn't getting enough oxygen and wondering what the hell was going on.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoI honestly was a little scared because it was so odd. I though it was just gonna be another flu. But of everything, the fatigue was the absolute worst. My spine, neck, and legs just felt like mush for a full week. Existing was effort. Could barely keep food down. When my fever broke, I went about my life like normal. Still I'd hate to imagine what it would've been like in a not so vaccinated era like the early 1900s. I probably would've died.
- camillomiller 5y agoI got it, and it was annoying, sure, but I had influenza A in the past and boy, was that REALLY bad. I would be totally fine if we get to a point where we consider Covid to be like an endemic seasonal flu for the vaccinated, because I can’t see many ways out otherwise
- blub 5y agoA virus with the flu's potential for damage and the SARS-2 level of infectivity even after a vaccine would be terrible for those getting sick, but even worse for healthcare.
- foepys 5y agoI think what a lot of people call the flu is actually "the sniffles" which desensitizes people to the danger. Influenza like you had is really, really bad. It takes weeks to recover and the first 1 or 2 weeks are hell.
- Pyramus 5y agoYes, that is correct. I believe the difference is that most of us were exposed to the flu when we were younger, building immunity to the strains that are seasonal. This is not the case for new strains. There are reports from the 1918 influenza strain that it killed young people over night: Folks went to bed with fever and didn't wake up the next day. If you had the flu or know somebody who had, it's no joke.
- peter_retief 5y agoI had the virus and it was slightly inconvenient, had a slight fever, cough and shortness of breath. Strangly my wife had different symptoms to me, no fever and vomiting. Lasted around 10 days with no lingering symptoms. I think the fever is important because my wife got reinfected but I did not.
- lambdaphagy 5y agoGlad you're ok, but I'm surprised you describe SOB as a slight inconvenience. In general, SOB is a pretty bad sign-- you're having trouble getting the one thing you'll die fastest without. Sure, you can put up with temporary mild SOB if you know it's going to stay mild, but not everyone can know that :/
- peter_retief 5y agoThanks, I realize I was lucky, it is a wildly unpredictable virus and I am not trying to minimize the possible outcomes.
- peteretep 5y ago> but I'm surprised you describe SOB as a slight inconvenience Ever been to a high altitude city? I was short of breath for my first week in Mexico City, and my lungs hurt after exercise. It’s very disconcerting, but also just a slight inconvenience.
- lambdaphagy 5y agoYes, it's a minor inconvenience when it's expected and you have confidence in a good prognosis. It can be tortuous when you don't know whether it's about to get worse.
- JeremyNT 5y agoi.e., it's like the common cold +/- a bit. Also keep in mind that many people are mostly asymptomatic entirely, even the unvaccinated. Sure, try not to get sick. Understand that there is some risk of symptoms. But getting COVID once you've had the vaccine shouldn't really be a concern worthy of altering any behaviors to avoid for healthy people.