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Tesla would be compensated, that's why you pay when you charge. Adding CSS to their chargers only financially benefits them by increasing their customer base. B

Tesla would be compensated, that's why you pay when you charge. Adding CSS to their chargers only financially benefits them by increasing their customer base. By opening the charging standard instead of licensing it they have also taken the morally higher ground by making it possible for anyone to charge their eventually. Switching over to CCS is already happening in Europe because of regulation. The Model 3 is sold with CCS instead of the Telsa connector as part of that: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/supercharging https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/supercharging I would not be surprised to see similar legislation here in the US, but we are typically massively behind on things like that. And it would likely be done as it is in the EU, new chargers would be required to have the standard connector. Retrofitting old ones is optional.

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johannes1234321 5y ago
The question is what they see as their business model. Part of the Tesla pitch to buy a car is access to the big Tesla super charger network. Competing on charging networks is tough. The charging cost is determined in large parts by energy cost and rent for the space. Customers have some ease-of-use effect to get a membership at a large network, but brand reliance is low. Thus there is little to gain, but cars from all sorts of vendors blocking Tesla's chargers isn't good for the exclusivity of their brand.
- AkBKukU 5y ago
  Since they voluntarily opened their chargers it's pretty obvious their business model is not exclusivity. Adding other cars doesn't not impinge access to superchargers for Tesla owners other than potentially more congestion.
- benhurmarcel 5y ago
  Yes, what's good for society and consumers might not be good for one particular company. It should still be mandated.
- Vespasian 5y ago
  I think there is a conflict of interest: - Tesla obviously wants to have a exclusive network to boost their car sales. Vender lock in greatly helps them. - The Government / The public want ONE charging network which can be used by anybody regardless of their car brand. In particular you don't want vendor lock in for something basic such as access to individual transportation. (Remember Tesla could easily decide that only "Tesla approved power sources" are allowed to charge your car) I think it's inevitable that charging becomes a comodity such as fuel. Ad-hoc without registration / app download (or at most one on a national level).
  - johannes1234321 5y ago
    > - The Government / The public want ONE charging network which can be used by anybody While I agree with your overall point a little nitpicking: Many certainly don't want ONE network, but compatible competing networks. (Compatible regarding plugs etc. and compatible regarding payment registration)
    - Vespasian 5y ago
      In concur. Basically like gas stations. Different brands but the same products. Maybe loyalty programs for customers, special conditions for companies etc.
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  I wonder if they'll charge different rates for Tesla / non-Tesla charging. Could still incentivize owning a Tesla while giving other EV users range flexibility (for a price).
  - kwhitefoot 5y ago
    The way it is done at Tesla stations at the moment in Norway is that a third party like Fortum provides chargers for non-Tesla vehicles and they have their own pricing and payment system. The Tesla charging stalls at the site are still only used by Tesla vehicles.
nickik 5y ago
CCS or not is not the question. You can still limit it with software. Eventually it makes sense probably but as of now in the US, many people still recommend Tesla if you are doing road-trips. Its still a competitive advantage. Eventually they will open it up and make money, but reality is that fast charging is a losing business strategy right now. Tons of money in, no money out. Having it as marketing and competitive advantage right now is more valuable by far then the small amount they money they would make by opening it up. It will be years before they open it up in the US is my guess. Sooner in Europe, but not because of regulation but rather because of the competitive advantage not being as relevant and attempting to get higher utilization.

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johannes1234321 5y ago

The question is what they see as their business model. Part of the Tesla pitch to buy a car is access to the big Tesla super charger network. Competing on charging networks is tough. The charging cost is determined in large parts by energy cost and rent for the space. Customers have some ease-of-use effect to get a membership at a large network, but brand reliance is low. Thus there is little to gain, but cars from all sorts of vendors blocking Tesla's chargers isn't good for the exclusivity of their brand.

AkBKukU 5y ago
Since they voluntarily opened their chargers it's pretty obvious their business model is not exclusivity. Adding other cars doesn't not impinge access to superchargers for Tesla owners other than potentially more congestion.
benhurmarcel 5y ago
Yes, what's good for society and consumers might not be good for one particular company. It should still be mandated.
Vespasian 5y ago
I think there is a conflict of interest: - Tesla obviously wants to have a exclusive network to boost their car sales. Vender lock in greatly helps them. - The Government / The public want ONE charging network which can be used by anybody regardless of their car brand. In particular you don't want vendor lock in for something basic such as access to individual transportation. (Remember Tesla could easily decide that only "Tesla approved power sources" are allowed to charge your car) I think it's inevitable that charging becomes a comodity such as fuel. Ad-hoc without registration / app download (or at most one on a national level).
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  > - The Government / The public want ONE charging network which can be used by anybody While I agree with your overall point a little nitpicking: Many certainly don't want ONE network, but compatible competing networks. (Compatible regarding plugs etc. and compatible regarding payment registration)
  - Vespasian 5y ago
    In concur. Basically like gas stations. Different brands but the same products. Maybe loyalty programs for customers, special conditions for companies etc.
bpodgursky 5y ago
I wonder if they'll charge different rates for Tesla / non-Tesla charging. Could still incentivize owning a Tesla while giving other EV users range flexibility (for a price).
- kwhitefoot 5y ago
  The way it is done at Tesla stations at the moment in Norway is that a third party like Fortum provides chargers for non-Tesla vehicles and they have their own pricing and payment system. The Tesla charging stalls at the site are still only used by Tesla vehicles.

nickik 5y ago

CCS or not is not the question. You can still limit it with software. Eventually it makes sense probably but as of now in the US, many people still recommend Tesla if you are doing road-trips. Its still a competitive advantage. Eventually they will open it up and make money, but reality is that fast charging is a losing business strategy right now. Tons of money in, no money out. Having it as marketing and competitive advantage right now is more valuable by far then the small amount they money they would make by opening it up. It will be years before they open it up in the US is my guess. Sooner in Europe, but not because of regulation but rather because of the competitive advantage not being as relevant and attempting to get higher utilization.