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Cool. Does anyone have a paper comparing all the neu-fangled IM tech? I find myself a bit confused. BTW my favorite Matrix feature from the concept paper: "Int

Cool. Does anyone have a paper comparing all the neu-fangled IM tech? I find myself a bit confused. BTW my favorite Matrix feature from the concept paper: "Integrität dank hohem Out-of-the-box-Sicherheitsniveau" - dank, hohem out-of-the-box Sicherheitsniveau sounds pretty great. (Wonder why they didn't say "aus der Box"?)

geff82 5y ago
Because we adopted that word.
- nosianu 5y ago
  And anyway, it all comes full circle, because "out" and "of" both have Germanic roots (google "etymology some-word" and you don't even have to go to any specific website, Google already showing a nice graph). Box has Greek/Latin roots, and German has plenty of those too (List of German words with Latin roots: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_lateinischer_Lehn-_und_Fremdw%C3%B6rter_im_Deutschen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_lateinischer_Lehn-_und_F...).
burundi_coffee 5y ago
Because that phrase doesn't exist in German like that. They could have used "standardmäßig" but out-of-the box is more widely used when talking about software and tech.
- zapnuk 5y ago
  Well we do have "von Haus aus" but it's less formal and can't be used as a 1:1 replacement because of the grammar.
  - kleiba 5y ago
    You could say a priori but then you're just exchanging English for Latin.
  - solarkraft 5y ago
    Perhaps more fitting would be ab Werk, (out of the factory), but either put the focus on the wrong situation.
jjkaczor 5y ago
https://xkcd.com/1810/ https://xkcd.com/1810/
- javajosh 5y ago
  yes, each tech is an edge in the hypergraph[1] connecting all humans. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph
- Arathorn 5y ago
  https://matrix.org/blog/2017/03/11/how-do-i-bridge-thee-let-me-count-the-ways https://matrix.org/blog/2017/03/11/how-do-i-bridge-thee-let-... :P
MrsPeaches 5y ago
Personal favourite Neudeutsch phrase, I heard a while back: “Mein Schedule ist arsch-tight”
- 271828182846 5y ago
  In some regions "[arsch] eng" might well be used ... funny thing is it means more or less the same as "ass tight" but [arsch] would be dialect for "arg" which can be roughly translated to "almost a bit too much".
- mgerullis 5y ago
  I’m imagining this with an Austrian dialect right now lmao
gliptic 5y ago
When English idioms are translated to other languages it's often cringe-inducing. I can't imagine someone seriously saying "ut ur lådan" or something in Swedish.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  At some point you tend to forget what idioms belong to which language and you can greatly confuse people. But Holla the wood fairy.
  - gliptic 5y ago
    Yeah, no danger on the roof, eh?
rjzzleep 5y ago
Ironically when I was working there, they would translate a lot of English words into German because most of the people in those institutions have been working there for 30+ years and don't have any exposure to English terminology. When they used Jira "Todo" was a term that needed to be translated.
- asddubs 5y ago
  I wonder if it would have been less confusing as to-do

geff82 5y ago

Because we adopted that word.

nosianu 5y ago
And anyway, it all comes full circle, because "out" and "of" both have Germanic roots (google "etymology some-word" and you don't even have to go to any specific website, Google already showing a nice graph). Box has Greek/Latin roots, and German has plenty of those too (List of German words with Latin roots: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_lateinischer_Lehn-_und_Fremdw%C3%B6rter_im_Deutschen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_lateinischer_Lehn-_und_F...).

burundi_coffee 5y ago

Because that phrase doesn't exist in German like that. They could have used "standardmäßig" but out-of-the box is more widely used when talking about software and tech.

zapnuk 5y ago
Well we do have "von Haus aus" but it's less formal and can't be used as a 1:1 replacement because of the grammar.
- kleiba 5y ago
  You could say a priori but then you're just exchanging English for Latin.
- solarkraft 5y ago
  Perhaps more fitting would be ab Werk, (out of the factory), but either put the focus on the wrong situation.

jjkaczor 5y ago

https://xkcd.com/1810/ https://xkcd.com/1810/

javajosh 5y ago
yes, each tech is an edge in the hypergraph[1] connecting all humans. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph
Arathorn 5y ago
https://matrix.org/blog/2017/03/11/how-do-i-bridge-thee-let-me-count-the-ways https://matrix.org/blog/2017/03/11/how-do-i-bridge-thee-let-... :P

MrsPeaches 5y ago

Personal favourite Neudeutsch phrase, I heard a while back: “Mein Schedule ist arsch-tight”

271828182846 5y ago
In some regions "[arsch] eng" might well be used ... funny thing is it means more or less the same as "ass tight" but [arsch] would be dialect for "arg" which can be roughly translated to "almost a bit too much".
mgerullis 5y ago
I’m imagining this with an Austrian dialect right now lmao

gliptic 5y ago

When English idioms are translated to other languages it's often cringe-inducing. I can't imagine someone seriously saying "ut ur lådan" or something in Swedish.

raxxorrax 5y ago
At some point you tend to forget what idioms belong to which language and you can greatly confuse people. But Holla the wood fairy.
- gliptic 5y ago
  Yeah, no danger on the roof, eh?

rjzzleep 5y ago

Ironically when I was working there, they would translate a lot of English words into German because most of the people in those institutions have been working there for 30+ years and don't have any exposure to English terminology. When they used Jira "Todo" was a term that needed to be translated.

asddubs 5y ago
I wonder if it would have been less confusing as to-do