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> Also, I think we should support them w/ safety net (see basically andrew yang's platform). Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whate

> Also, I think we should support them w/ safety net (see basically andrew yang's platform). Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. It sounds like a lovely future, but I don't the automation exists yet to replace all the jobs.

handrous 5y ago
> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. You work to be able to afford nicer clothes, more vidya games, fine whisky, more-comfortable retirement when you do stop working, vacations, better school for your kids, a nicer house with a view, and so on. The carrot remains the same, the stick is just somewhat smaller.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. Let's say you got $20k/yr[0] for free. Do you think you could live comfortably on that? Would you be willing to work to improve your comfort level? [0] full time US minimum wage with no time off is about $15k/yr
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. People with literally billions of dollars of wealth still devote time and energy to earning more. I don't think its a stretch to think that people who merely have enough for tolerable food, clothing, shelter will continue to do so.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  But there are very few people with that kind of wealth, because very few people have the innate drive to do what it takes to attain it. Most people don't have that drive. Most people just want a paycheck and a low-risk life.
  - oscardssmith 5y ago
    Ah yes. The innate drive to inherit a couple million dollars.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    Use free market logic instead of making things up. If a billionaire has enough money to do nothing then why would he do something? It's because the tradeoff is worth it. Business owners have a large stake in their business. They can get billions out of a company. For a minimum wage worker it is absolutely trivial to see that the tradeoff isn't worth it and subsequently they behave predictably like a lazy person. People acting according to free market logic deserve the stick. Do you see the problem?
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > Most people don't have that drive. Most people just want a paycheck and a low-risk life. If I look at the size of the median house, the price of the median car, that doesn't seem true. If most people would be satisfied with a basic income scheme and nothing more, why aren't most middle class people trying to save half their paycheck and retire before 50?

handrous 5y ago

> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. You work to be able to afford nicer clothes, more vidya games, fine whisky, more-comfortable retirement when you do stop working, vacations, better school for your kids, a nicer house with a view, and so on. The carrot remains the same, the stick is just somewhat smaller.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. Let's say you got $20k/yr[0] for free. Do you think you could live comfortably on that? Would you be willing to work to improve your comfort level? [0] full time US minimum wage with no time off is about $15k/yr

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Which raises the question of why anyone would work, if doing whatever you want and still living a comfortable life was an option. People with literally billions of dollars of wealth still devote time and energy to earning more. I don't think its a stretch to think that people who merely have enough for tolerable food, clothing, shelter will continue to do so.

throwawayboise 5y ago
But there are very few people with that kind of wealth, because very few people have the innate drive to do what it takes to attain it. Most people don't have that drive. Most people just want a paycheck and a low-risk life.
- oscardssmith 5y ago
  Ah yes. The innate drive to inherit a couple million dollars.
- imtringued 5y ago
  Use free market logic instead of making things up. If a billionaire has enough money to do nothing then why would he do something? It's because the tradeoff is worth it. Business owners have a large stake in their business. They can get billions out of a company. For a minimum wage worker it is absolutely trivial to see that the tradeoff isn't worth it and subsequently they behave predictably like a lazy person. People acting according to free market logic deserve the stick. Do you see the problem?
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > Most people don't have that drive. Most people just want a paycheck and a low-risk life. If I look at the size of the median house, the price of the median car, that doesn't seem true. If most people would be satisfied with a basic income scheme and nothing more, why aren't most middle class people trying to save half their paycheck and retire before 50?