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The article suggests Tesla "forgot" about the promise due to high turnover. I find that hard to believe. I think they decided towards a "let's see what happens"
by fegu 5y ago
The article suggests Tesla "forgot" about the promise due to high turnover. I find that hard to believe. I think they decided towards a "let's see what happens". Enough turmoil and they will pay up. Not that hard, just add a minimum subscription term to cover installation cost.
- Waterluvian 5y agoWeak American regulation leads to an epidemic of bad businesses making “it’s cheaper to beg for forgiveness” moves. If you can’t or aren’t willing to make an example of a company on regular occasion, the rest will just factor the weak penalties into the cost of doing business.
- altcognito 5y agoOf course, they rarely “beg for forgivesness” they just gaslight you for years and never admit wrongdoing.
- Waterluvian 5y agoTrue. I’m being way too generous with the terms. They fight the penalties and class actions every step of the way for years and years.
- HarryHirsch 5y agoOr they settle individually, perhaps with a confidentiality agreement, and continue cheating the rest of the people, raking in a profit.
- ErikVandeWater 5y agoThere probably will be a huge class-action that settles in 10 years. The amount it settles for probably won't even cover a 10th of the fraudulent sales.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago> Weak American regulation This is a potential dispute between the buyers of luxury cars and their maker. Not sure why tax dollars need to be spent intervening. (Would also note that it’s said “weak” regulation that permitted Tesla to launch and scale in the first place.)
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- pbhjpbhj 5y agoYou don't think companies should have to honestly describe what they're selling?
- jdross 5y agoThey already do. And if the customers disagree, they can sue the company personally or as a class.
- lumost 5y agoLawsuits are expensive and tilt heavily in favor of whoever has the bigger pocket book. Allowing market players to deceive consumers just creates bad incentives and terrible companies. I do not have the 10 years and 10 million dollars required to sue any of the fortune 100 for any wrong doing regardless of its severity.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago> Lawsuits are expensive So are Teslas. I get the argument. I’m not saying we legalise fraud. But if we’re spending the earnings of the average American, who barely earn enough in a whole year after tax to buy one, I would want to be damn sure there isn’t anything applicable to them being de-prioritised. (Hint: there is.) If you’re buying an upgrade on a luxury car, you can afford a lawyer or find someone in a similar situation who can.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
- bradleyjg 5y agoThe lawsuit system of regulation isn’t inherently weak. The issue is that the details of the class action rules permit mass tortfeaers to buy global peace from lawyers effectively acting on their own behalf rather than truly having the class’ interests be primary.
- alisonkisk 5y agoa victim can opt out of the class action and pursue individual remedy, right?
- bradleyjg 5y agoDepends. Classes certified under 23(b)(3) can generally be opted out of, but those under (b)(1) or (b)(2) generally can’t.
- akmarinov 5y agoThey’re doing the same thing in Europe to the same effect.
- antpls 5y agoNot in Germany : Tesla' self-driving ads are banned in Germany since about a year now : https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-germany-idUSKCN24F1T5 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-autopilot-germany-i...