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As someone currently self-employed in Nashville and trying to figure out how to scale up my network of part-time contractors into a real company, my state legis

As someone currently self-employed in Nashville and trying to figure out how to scale up my network of part-time contractors into a real company, my state legislature making decisions like this (and also needlessly harassing trans folks) is incredibly frustrating. How can I ask people who work for me to live here?

Nextgrid 5y ago
Apologies for off-topic but are you the one who “records as they always do in Nashville, Tennessee”? If so, I want to say thanks so much for your videos - they have been an amazing source of entertainment during my teenage years.
hirsin 5y ago
Don't? We're in the midst of a great realization that you don't need to be physically near someone to work with them. Alternately, ensure they have sufficient pay and benefits to ignore the GOP restrictions and then hope they help vote them out.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  So show my remote-only plumber isn’t doing it for me…
newsyyswen 5y ago
Have you tried telling them about the great BBQ and blues? I dunno what to tell you. After touring almost all of our great states, the only constant seems to be that you get what your neighbors vote for.
1123581321 5y ago
I realize this is rhetorical, but the answer is that the majority of people aren’t single or double issue voters. They may be seeking to live in TN to avoid downsides of other states, making a tradeoff. And then there are people who are politically diametric to you who are also great employees; these you probably don’t need to sell the idea of residency as much. Between these two groups, there are enough such people to sustain job markets in every state.
- darig 5y ago
  I realize this is rhetorical, but do you want to work in a building full of anti-vaxxers?
- sterlind 5y ago
  most people, sure. but I'm trans and I don't think I'd like to live in a state that's harassing me. there's legitimate concerns about how livable places are for certain groups based on state policy and community prejudice.
  - 1123581321 5y ago
    Note I didn’t even say “most people,” just majority. I know there are plenty of single-issue voters and residency selectors too.
  - rorykoehler 5y ago
    I'm not trans and I also wouldn't like to live somewhere where trans people are harassed. It's just not a vibe I want in my life.
caseysoftware 5y ago
Vote with your feet. Move somewhere you find more friendly to you and your potential hires.
- takeda 5y ago
  No matter where you go, those states will still have 2 senators that will affect you. So while I can't dictate what others should do, I would prefer if more people would come and affected the local government instead.
mmastrac 5y ago
It's easy: don't. I am struggling with the same thing up here in Alberta and it's just impossible to make any headway against an electorate that continues to vote this way. It's not worth your time and it's better to focus on hiring out of state/province or moving. EDIT: fellow Albertans feel free to email me on my profile (lots of us here!)
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Yeah, Alberta being Alberta makes it hard to bring people here who didn't grow up here.
  - mc32 5y ago
    Except for Newfies...
- bawolff 5y ago
  Idk, kenney has screwed things up so badly that the next election might be a real competition. https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm
- joe_hills 5y ago
  Relocating before hiring full-time employees is probably my best move. I've got a kid, though, so I'm currently trying to assess where we can afford to move that inspires confidence that we can really build something there. If we have to go, I don't wanna move again before she goes to college in a decade.
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    Durham-Raleigh is young, lots of tech there, and real estate isn’t insane. You’ll also be close to some great incubators and Angel investors.
    - staticautomatic 5y ago
      Real estate has been getting pretty frothy there for a while.
stirfish 5y ago
Do you have to stay in Nashville? Moving for better opportunities is just about the most American thing a person can do
- joe_hills 5y ago
  I could make the same amount of money anywhere with internet at this point, so there's no obvious place to move in particular. I loved the idea of hitting the West Coast until the smoke of the last few years caused me to reconsider. As I consider if climate extremes are likely to keep getting worse, upstate New York or Vermont are seeming more and more viable to me.
  - stirfish 5y ago
    Vermont is one of my favorite states in the union. The state motto is "freedom and unity" and you get the feeling that everyone is on the same team there. New Hampshire's state motto is "live free or die." If you die in New Hampshire, it's probably because someone else was living free.
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      It always amazes me that so many "freedom" states heavily police individual behaviour more than I have experienced in the Bay Area, which doesn't have that rhetoric. I can go buy magic mushrooms here, but in so-called Freedomland you can't even eat what you want. Whacky. I moved to Texas for a short while and hoo boy, Austin is nice, but the peeps in Texas really love to tell the government to tread on them. You can't even get weed brownies here. Talk about big government.
      - _huayra_ 5y ago
        These folks shout "freedom" because shouting "fascism" is too overt. I remember how some of my family in southern California was so upset that prop 8 (banning gay marriage) was overturned by the supreme court, and I'm honestly impressed by the level of cognitive dissonance they could hold in their head: simultaneously talking about "muH FrE3DomS" yet wanting to curtail the same freedoms to other people that, in those people exercising those freedoms, have zero impact on their lives. When I pointed it out to them, they basically sputtered something incoherent about "well I'll have to explain to cousin Timmy why those MEN are holding hands in Safeway!". idk maybe suck less as a parent?!
ghotli 5y ago
I'm confused. Why ask people who work for you to live where you are? Is it actually important or does that opinion just have momentum. I also live in Tennessee but have been a remote worker for a decade. I deeply disagree with the politics of this place but you know, family's here. I think they just think they are right, regardless of if their claims are backed by evidence or care / concern for secondary consequences like you are describing. Flip the seats. If only it were so simple. P.S. Check out how cringe the Tennessee "quality of life" page reads. Three clicks off of the homepage of TN.gov. TLDR: Tennessee, "we keep it cheap" https://tnecd.com/advantages/quality-of-life/ https://tnecd.com/advantages/quality-of-life/
- joe_hills 5y ago
  I work in video production and could use an engineer in-studio while I'm broadcasting to deal with tech on the fly. I'm hitting the ceiling on what I can do by myself during a live show.
  - ghotli 5y ago
    Perfectly reasonable, hope you find good talent :)
- mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
  Many jobs are location dependent for pragmatic reasons, e.g. firefighters can't reasonably suppress fires 1000 miles away.
dvdhnt 5y ago
Living in Chattanooga, and watching as TN politics continue to leave me dumbfounded, I've come to believe that no matter where you are in this country, rural is rural and urban is urban. Upstate NY is just like rural TN. Sure, the state government seems to be more liberal, but it has many scandals and the same political sleaze as TN. In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children. We should use these high paying remote jobs to buy nice homes with lots of space and access to good schools and healthcare. The rest of it will sort of work itself out. And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can /shrug
- stirfish 5y ago
  >And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can The future is FEMA
- rayiner 5y ago
  > In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children. We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.)
  - macmccann 5y ago
    In suburban Ohio public school, I was taught abstinence-only education in 2013. Could have changed since then though
  - lazulicurio 5y ago
    > We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.) You made a similar bad-faith false-equalivance elsewhere in this thread. > > If we allow you adult choices, and you make choices that harm others > So we can go back to banning adultery and divorce? Forgive my language, but what utter crap. It's a vaccine against a deadly and contagious virus. You want to be left alone to drink your flavor aid? Be my guest. But you don't get to dump cyanide in the well and claim it's your right to do so.
nodesocket 5y ago
I moved me and my company from San Francisco in 2018 and absolutely love it here in Nashville. I suspect we may have clashing world and political views, but that’s not the point. Nashville is an amazing city, opportunity is unlimited, amazing night life, food, culture, and of course music. Southern is way more my style and speed. > How can I ask people who work for me to live here? Frankly, there is already enough demand and highly qualified people moving here.
- taylodl 5y ago
  I'm a Yank but my wife and daughter went to Nashville to look at Vanderbilt University - and they loved it, both the University and Nashville. From what I've seen Nashville is beautiful. I've even thought about relocating or longer term retiring to the Nashville area but I have this little voice in my head always saying "but it's the South..." and frankly, stories like this tend to amplify that voice. P.S. I'm really into music and Nashville's music scene is very appealing, despite the state politics. So I'm definitely conflicted.
  - nodesocket 5y ago
    Nashville is a really blue dot in a red state that is Tennessee. If Nashville isn't liberal enough for you, then perhaps best to stay on the coasts. I actually feel Nashville is turning into the thing and ideologies I fled (California and San Francisco) with all the people moving here from Illinois, New York, and California.
Proven 5y ago
> How can I ask people who work for me to live here? Are you kidding me? How can you ask other people to fund this outreach for the benfit of your and your employees? You are responsible for your being informed. Nobody prevents you or your family or workers from being vaccinated. What has this world come to...

Nextgrid 5y ago

Apologies for off-topic but are you the one who “records as they always do in Nashville, Tennessee”? If so, I want to say thanks so much for your videos - they have been an amazing source of entertainment during my teenage years.

hirsin 5y ago

Don't? We're in the midst of a great realization that you don't need to be physically near someone to work with them. Alternately, ensure they have sufficient pay and benefits to ignore the GOP restrictions and then hope they help vote them out.

IgorPartola 5y ago
So show my remote-only plumber isn’t doing it for me…

newsyyswen 5y ago

Have you tried telling them about the great BBQ and blues? I dunno what to tell you. After touring almost all of our great states, the only constant seems to be that you get what your neighbors vote for.

1123581321 5y ago

I realize this is rhetorical, but the answer is that the majority of people aren’t single or double issue voters. They may be seeking to live in TN to avoid downsides of other states, making a tradeoff. And then there are people who are politically diametric to you who are also great employees; these you probably don’t need to sell the idea of residency as much. Between these two groups, there are enough such people to sustain job markets in every state.

darig 5y ago
I realize this is rhetorical, but do you want to work in a building full of anti-vaxxers?
sterlind 5y ago
most people, sure. but I'm trans and I don't think I'd like to live in a state that's harassing me. there's legitimate concerns about how livable places are for certain groups based on state policy and community prejudice.
- 1123581321 5y ago
  Note I didn’t even say “most people,” just majority. I know there are plenty of single-issue voters and residency selectors too.
- rorykoehler 5y ago
  I'm not trans and I also wouldn't like to live somewhere where trans people are harassed. It's just not a vibe I want in my life.

caseysoftware 5y ago

Vote with your feet. Move somewhere you find more friendly to you and your potential hires.

takeda 5y ago
No matter where you go, those states will still have 2 senators that will affect you. So while I can't dictate what others should do, I would prefer if more people would come and affected the local government instead.

mmastrac 5y ago

It's easy: don't. I am struggling with the same thing up here in Alberta and it's just impossible to make any headway against an electorate that continues to vote this way. It's not worth your time and it's better to focus on hiring out of state/province or moving. EDIT: fellow Albertans feel free to email me on my profile (lots of us here!)

MattGaiser 5y ago
Yeah, Alberta being Alberta makes it hard to bring people here who didn't grow up here.
- mc32 5y ago
  Except for Newfies...
bawolff 5y ago
Idk, kenney has screwed things up so badly that the next election might be a real competition. https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm https://338canada.com/alberta/polls.htm
joe_hills 5y ago
Relocating before hiring full-time employees is probably my best move. I've got a kid, though, so I'm currently trying to assess where we can afford to move that inspires confidence that we can really build something there. If we have to go, I don't wanna move again before she goes to college in a decade.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  Durham-Raleigh is young, lots of tech there, and real estate isn’t insane. You’ll also be close to some great incubators and Angel investors.
  - staticautomatic 5y ago
    Real estate has been getting pretty frothy there for a while.

stirfish 5y ago

Do you have to stay in Nashville? Moving for better opportunities is just about the most American thing a person can do

joe_hills 5y ago
I could make the same amount of money anywhere with internet at this point, so there's no obvious place to move in particular. I loved the idea of hitting the West Coast until the smoke of the last few years caused me to reconsider. As I consider if climate extremes are likely to keep getting worse, upstate New York or Vermont are seeming more and more viable to me.
- stirfish 5y ago
  Vermont is one of my favorite states in the union. The state motto is "freedom and unity" and you get the feeling that everyone is on the same team there. New Hampshire's state motto is "live free or die." If you die in New Hampshire, it's probably because someone else was living free.
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    It always amazes me that so many "freedom" states heavily police individual behaviour more than I have experienced in the Bay Area, which doesn't have that rhetoric. I can go buy magic mushrooms here, but in so-called Freedomland you can't even eat what you want. Whacky. I moved to Texas for a short while and hoo boy, Austin is nice, but the peeps in Texas really love to tell the government to tread on them. You can't even get weed brownies here. Talk about big government.
    - _huayra_ 5y ago
      These folks shout "freedom" because shouting "fascism" is too overt. I remember how some of my family in southern California was so upset that prop 8 (banning gay marriage) was overturned by the supreme court, and I'm honestly impressed by the level of cognitive dissonance they could hold in their head: simultaneously talking about "muH FrE3DomS" yet wanting to curtail the same freedoms to other people that, in those people exercising those freedoms, have zero impact on their lives. When I pointed it out to them, they basically sputtered something incoherent about "well I'll have to explain to cousin Timmy why those MEN are holding hands in Safeway!". idk maybe suck less as a parent?!

ghotli 5y ago

I'm confused. Why ask people who work for you to live where you are? Is it actually important or does that opinion just have momentum. I also live in Tennessee but have been a remote worker for a decade. I deeply disagree with the politics of this place but you know, family's here. I think they just think they are right, regardless of if their claims are backed by evidence or care / concern for secondary consequences like you are describing. Flip the seats. If only it were so simple. P.S. Check out how cringe the Tennessee "quality of life" page reads. Three clicks off of the homepage of TN.gov. TLDR: Tennessee, "we keep it cheap" https://tnecd.com/advantages/quality-of-life/ https://tnecd.com/advantages/quality-of-life/

joe_hills 5y ago
I work in video production and could use an engineer in-studio while I'm broadcasting to deal with tech on the fly. I'm hitting the ceiling on what I can do by myself during a live show.
- ghotli 5y ago
  Perfectly reasonable, hope you find good talent :)
mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
Many jobs are location dependent for pragmatic reasons, e.g. firefighters can't reasonably suppress fires 1000 miles away.

dvdhnt 5y ago

Living in Chattanooga, and watching as TN politics continue to leave me dumbfounded, I've come to believe that no matter where you are in this country, rural is rural and urban is urban. Upstate NY is just like rural TN. Sure, the state government seems to be more liberal, but it has many scandals and the same political sleaze as TN. In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children. We should use these high paying remote jobs to buy nice homes with lots of space and access to good schools and healthcare. The rest of it will sort of work itself out. And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can /shrug

stirfish 5y ago
>And if we're being honest, climate change will get us before the government here can The future is FEMA
rayiner 5y ago
> In the end, the best thing we can do is to insulate ourselves and our loved ones from government intervention, focus on local politics, and take control of our own consumption i.e. we can't rely on the government to do what's best for our children. We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.)
- macmccann 5y ago
  In suburban Ohio public school, I was taught abstinence-only education in 2013. Could have changed since then though
- lazulicurio 5y ago
  > We feel that way too! So why don't you leave us alone? (If you hadn't noticed its not 1992 and nobody is trying to teach your kids abstinence-only education anymore.) You made a similar bad-faith false-equalivance elsewhere in this thread. > > If we allow you adult choices, and you make choices that harm others > So we can go back to banning adultery and divorce? Forgive my language, but what utter crap. It's a vaccine against a deadly and contagious virus. You want to be left alone to drink your flavor aid? Be my guest. But you don't get to dump cyanide in the well and claim it's your right to do so.

nodesocket 5y ago

I moved me and my company from San Francisco in 2018 and absolutely love it here in Nashville. I suspect we may have clashing world and political views, but that’s not the point. Nashville is an amazing city, opportunity is unlimited, amazing night life, food, culture, and of course music. Southern is way more my style and speed. > How can I ask people who work for me to live here? Frankly, there is already enough demand and highly qualified people moving here.

taylodl 5y ago
I'm a Yank but my wife and daughter went to Nashville to look at Vanderbilt University - and they loved it, both the University and Nashville. From what I've seen Nashville is beautiful. I've even thought about relocating or longer term retiring to the Nashville area but I have this little voice in my head always saying "but it's the South..." and frankly, stories like this tend to amplify that voice. P.S. I'm really into music and Nashville's music scene is very appealing, despite the state politics. So I'm definitely conflicted.
- nodesocket 5y ago
  Nashville is a really blue dot in a red state that is Tennessee. If Nashville isn't liberal enough for you, then perhaps best to stay on the coasts. I actually feel Nashville is turning into the thing and ideologies I fled (California and San Francisco) with all the people moving here from Illinois, New York, and California.

Proven 5y ago

> How can I ask people who work for me to live here? Are you kidding me? How can you ask other people to fund this outreach for the benfit of your and your employees? You are responsible for your being informed. Nobody prevents you or your family or workers from being vaccinated. What has this world come to...