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I don't understand the negativity in this thread about Oracle and the pricing model. GraalVM is an amazing piece of technology that enables many new application

I don't understand the negativity in this thread about Oracle and the pricing model. GraalVM is an amazing piece of technology that enables many new applications. Oracle has the courage to invest heavily in this research, provides a community edition for free, and asks a very reasonable fee for the enterprise version. The pricing model is admittedly a bit complex, but from what I've been told it is a fairly common pricing model in this industry. And if you use the enterprise version in a way that is not allowed, you risk facing the consequences; no surprises there. Disclaimer: You guessed it, I work at Oracle.

tw04 5y ago
You’re not sure why there’s negativity towards Oracle? That’s an easy one word answer: audits. I don’t work at Oracle but have lots of customers who use their/your products and they all feel your sales staff and motion are best described as predatory.
- saltminer 5y ago
  I used to work at Oracle, and the penny pinching isn't any better on the inside. It's a bit ridiculous when, being an Oracle employee and using Oracle products, there's only one member on our team with access to a product's support pages and you have to message him and ask for a PDF printout whenever you run into an obscure issue.
carlosf 5y ago
> The pricing model is admittedly a bit complex, but from what I've been told it is a fairly common pricing model in this industry Yes, but that's one of the reasons Public Clouds are thriving.
reilly3000 5y ago
+1 for paying for value. At the scale that companies like Facebook operate, 40% improvement on compute efficiency represents millions. I’m not really an Oracle fanboy, but definitely feel that value should be captured where it’s created, especially for enterprise use cases.
nextaccountic 5y ago
It's very hard to justify touching Oracle technology when they are so keen on suing their own customers.
vips7L 5y ago
It just doesn’t sit well with me that they’re charging for things like G1GC which are free in HotSpot.
belter 5y ago
Maybe because some of us old Lions have no illusions and we do not "...anthropomorphize the lawnmower..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2047s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2047s
bradleyjg 5y ago
> The pricing model is admittedly a bit complex, Maybe you can answer this question I had below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27786051 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27786051 If at any given second of the course of a month I have somewhere between 500 and 2000 vcore’s worth of AWS vms running with Java SE, how do I figure out how much I owe Oracle? Amazon, a competitor to Oracle, publicly provides enough information to figure this out.

tw04 5y ago

You’re not sure why there’s negativity towards Oracle? That’s an easy one word answer: audits. I don’t work at Oracle but have lots of customers who use their/your products and they all feel your sales staff and motion are best described as predatory.

saltminer 5y ago
I used to work at Oracle, and the penny pinching isn't any better on the inside. It's a bit ridiculous when, being an Oracle employee and using Oracle products, there's only one member on our team with access to a product's support pages and you have to message him and ask for a PDF printout whenever you run into an obscure issue.

carlosf 5y ago

> The pricing model is admittedly a bit complex, but from what I've been told it is a fairly common pricing model in this industry Yes, but that's one of the reasons Public Clouds are thriving.

reilly3000 5y ago

+1 for paying for value. At the scale that companies like Facebook operate, 40% improvement on compute efficiency represents millions. I’m not really an Oracle fanboy, but definitely feel that value should be captured where it’s created, especially for enterprise use cases.

nextaccountic 5y ago

It's very hard to justify touching Oracle technology when they are so keen on suing their own customers.

vips7L 5y ago

It just doesn’t sit well with me that they’re charging for things like G1GC which are free in HotSpot.

belter 5y ago

Maybe because some of us old Lions have no illusions and we do not "...anthropomorphize the lawnmower..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2047s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2047s

bradleyjg 5y ago

> The pricing model is admittedly a bit complex, Maybe you can answer this question I had below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27786051 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27786051 If at any given second of the course of a month I have somewhere between 500 and 2000 vcore’s worth of AWS vms running with Java SE, how do I figure out how much I owe Oracle? Amazon, a competitor to Oracle, publicly provides enough information to figure this out.