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YouTube channel “TechLead” creator has created a crypto and pulled the rug

197 points by donsupreme 5y ago

chaganated 5y ago
Techlead is textbook "uncanny valley". I do not fathom this world, where people invest in his tokens. Yet! here we are...
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  It’s a great business model for has-been pseudo-celebrities.
- prvc 5y ago
  At first I assumed he had an extremely dry, dark sense of humor, but perhaps you are right and he is simply beyond my comprehension.
hellotomyrars 5y ago
It’s not the same but when Elon Musk can move the needle due to sycophants by tweeting anything how different is the result really? It’s so hard to take crypto seriously.
donmcronald 5y ago
There are a TON of influencers pump and dumping crypto. Where’s the SEC?
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- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Nobody wants them in the space so I can see reluctance over that.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  The question is are cryptocurrencies securities? There have been ICOs which definitely have been represented as securities and have been regulated/quashed/fined. But when not used as a representation of ownership of currencies or assets... what is a cryptocurrency and does it fit into existing law about securities fraud? Another way to ask the question: should the SEC regulate pump and dump schemes with collectables? (I'd say beanie babies and pokemon cards to date myself, I don't know what people are speculating on these days)
  - donmcronald 5y ago
    > The question is are cryptocurrencies securities? The tax guidance in Canada says yes, they are. I don’t think they’re being advertised like collectibles. They’re advertised like investments. This is the first time I’ve actually heard them compared to collectibles. My personal experience makes me believe there’s not much liquidity. Also, as a class of currency the crypto scene is printing money faster than anything we’ve ever seen in history IMO.
    - colechristensen 5y ago
      There is a difference between an investment and a security. A security is very specifically an instrument which represents the value of something else. And tax guidance isn't the same as general classification of something (there are lots of really weird tax rules. For example: the US supreme court decided that a tomato was a vegetable, not a fruit for tax purposes while it is without any question actually a fruit.
      - donmcronald 5y ago
        I guess I don’t know enough about the technical differences. Doesn’t the SEC regulate both?
        colechristensen 5y ago
        "investment" is vague The SEC regulates how companies represent themselves to investors and how certain things representing ownership are traded and represented. The exact surface that fits inside the SEC I don't know exactly and one has to be an expert to know (and the SEC doesn't necessarily know itself). Cryptocurrencies went from being completely outside regulation to somewhat inside, but the laws, courts, and regulations are starting to slowly catch up. Everyone is still figuring out things as they go along. When cryptos are used to represent a piece of ownership though, it is cut and dry, they are securities and subject to existing regulations. When cryptos don't correspond to the value of something external though, they are somewhat new and just don't yet fit into the existing regulatory framework and the attitude of regulators is generally wait and see while going after the most clear abuses and easy cases first to build up a framework for whatever the future will hold. "common sense" of what cryptos are or aren't doesn't work, whatever regulators do, there will be high profile lawsuits for the courts to decide what they are and aren't, shaping this process and doing things which are clearly legal or illegal first in the best interests of the regulator is what happens. (in other words, they don't want to go out on a limb right away in tricky edge cases, they want to get things in a pattern and decided with the easy cases first)
- Ecto5 5y ago
  wasnt crypto's entire usp its decentralized nature? No Fed,SEC or other centralized body that would breathe down your neck. People didnt want these institutions controlling thir assets, i guess the obvious downside of no regulatory support when things go wrong should be part of the risk one takes when investing in crypto.
  - ElViajero 5y ago
    > wasnt crypto's entire usp its decentralized nature? No Fed,SEC or other centralized body that would breathe down your neck. I can plant tobacco and make "unregulated cigarretes" with the goal of not being regulated by any government. The goal is that you can smoke it anywhere, no regulations on its composition, and I can advertise it anywhere. That does not matter, it is still regulated and I cannot unilaterally opt-out of government regulations. (Or I can, but that is a crime and is what crime organizations do).
ozzythecat 5y ago
Not familiar with his crypto hustle, but I watched some Martin Kleppman talks on YouTube, and Tech Lead commercials started devouring my YouTube. The algorithm mistook me for not knowing how to code? Not sure. Apparently this tech lead guy created programming videos to teach you how to get hired at big tech companies. It turned out the partner guy in the videos wasn’t even a developer but had maybe interned somewhere in data science? And both of these guys were claiming to be career professionals, as if they were staff or principal engineers. The ads reminded me of another character from many years ago that would show off a Lamborghini or some sports car in his garage with a wall of books - another scammy self help guru. Edit: I looked tech lead up on YouTube as I read the Reddit post and typed up this post. I can’t tell if this guy is trying to be a parody/using dry humor or if he’s a narcissist sociopath.
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- monkeybutton 5y ago
  Sounds like you need to build some passive income streams and generate wealth. Please buy the online course I'm hucking on YouTube because I'm such an expert in these topics. Seriously though, it pains me to see the young and naive fall for these scams. Also, wasn't there a data science YouTuber recently that was busted for more or less plagiarizing their content?
  - paulgb 5y ago
    > Also, wasn't there a data science YouTuber recently that was busted for more or less plagiarizing their content? You might be thinking of Siraj Raval? https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewM_Webb/status/1183150368945049605 https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewM_Webb/status/1183150368945... (Or not, I’m sure there’s been a dozen other cases of this in data science alone)
    - monkeybutton 5y ago
      Yes! That is who I'm thinking of. For anyone else reading, the scandals go beyond the one twitter thread: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2019/10/16/why-siraj-ravals-plagiarism-is-the-future-of-plagiarism/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2019/10/16/why-siraj-ravals-...
stretchwithme 5y ago
Anyone who's always speaking "as a millionaire" isn't someone I'd listen to.
- dijit 5y ago
  His channel is satire. The problem I have with it is the extreme deadpan delivery, the arrogance and closeness to reality. Obviously he’s playing a character; but I wish I didn’t get so much of a “this is serious” vibe.
  - BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
    That’s the danger of being good at deadpan delivery.
  - ZephyrBlu 5y ago
    I would argue that the reason you get "this is serious" vibes is because he's actually more serious than satire. I really don't think he's playing a character. His videos have been like this for years, it's only in the last year or so that he's ramped up the "satire" content to a ridiculous level.
    - dijit 5y ago
      I genuinely struggled to understand if it was satire before. But given how often the words he’s chosen are deliberately sarcastic - or other situations where he would have the opportunity to save fact to make himself look better, but leans in to the character (for comedic effect I don’t doubt) makes me believe it must be satire. Like the numerous “this one tip” videos where he goes on and on about the tip and then it turns out to be “be predestined for this job” or “get referred” or something. Of course I could be misreading it.
      - rightbyte 5y ago
        Being sarcastic does not make it satire by it self though. It might just as well be arrogance.
jordhy 5y ago
This guy should face consequences. He has a million subscribers. Wow.
- pawelduda 5y ago
  Exactly. He shouldn't be able to just go to SNL and shill his bags to his followers. EDIT: wrong thread nevermind
diimdeep 5y ago
Not surprising, I've seen people complain on reddit that TechLead 500$ video courses is basically Cracking the Coding Interview book repackaged and leetcode problems copy-paste.
mikewarot 5y ago
As I said 3 days ago, when he announced it "If you were to sell 0.001 token for $1.00, you'd then have a Billion Dollar Valuation. ;-) This reminds me of a stock market simulation in my Econ 102 class. With a fellow student, we picked a few stocks, and sold them to each other for a very low price, and then bought all of them up as the other students watched the trends. We repeated this for 1/2 of the stocks in the simulation. We then sold each other 1 share of those stocks for $99.99 (the maximum price in the simulation), and ended up with almost all the money. 8) The professor thought we must have hacked the computer, but we played by the rules." It is obvious that all the new cryptocurrencies are just like that econ 102 class simulation, and just as vulnerable to gaming, but this time with real money.
- ganafagol 5y ago
  > The professor thought we must have hacked the computer, but we played by the rules." Sounds like a terrible prof then. What is such a simulation supposed to teach if not that those kinds of attacks are possible? These are inherent in the construction of the system and your prof should have just given you cudos for having understood that.
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    It was the early 1980s, and someone had recently hacked the school's VAX system. It was a reasonable guess.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  I have a question: > we picked a few stocks, and sold them to each other for a very low price, and then bought all of them up as the other students watched the trends. We repeated this for 1/2 of the stocks in the simulation. I can see how you could use this strategy to exchange a fairly low amount of money for these stocks. But that would mean you have less money than you started with, and more stock. > We then sold each other 1 share of those stocks for $99.99 (the maximum price in the simulation), and ended up with almost all the money. And then this trade causes you to have the same amount of money and the same amount of stock. How did you get the money back? Did you actually end up with almost all of the money, or did you end up with almost all of the market capitalization? It shouldn't be possible to make any sales of a stock at the maximum price, because the only thing that can happen to you, if you buy a stock at the maximum price, is that the price of your stock goes down.
bArray 5y ago
Highly recommend CoffeeZilla (Youtube): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw He has a very good video recently on a scam being run by influencers and provides some pretty damning evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI
- godmode2019 5y ago
  If you are familiar with the term 'Drama channels', they are a very toxic genre where the group finds a target and gives their opinion about the alleged offences. All good and well except they started to create the drama and their fans would dogpile on people or as twitter would describe 'Targeted harassment campaigns'. CoffeeZilla is a drama channel often with dubious opinion driven videos. There a few other drama channels in the professional world but I won't give them spotlight.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Nah, scam debunking is a good and fun genre. There are so many YouTube ads promising so many false get rich quick schemes that it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Exposing the affiliate marketing, fake guru, forex, dropshipping, class hustling frauds of social media is an entertaining public service.
    - godmode2019 5y ago
      Sure, but where is the line between bad first product and being a scammer. As a dev my first products are generally pretty average and my prices are high to filter to people that actually want the solution I'm selling. My opinions is being a scammer you have the intention to take someone's money with out delivering any marketed value. So there is the problem who can comment on someone intention. I remember when coffeezila went after a youtuber who created a course. It was his first course but he sold 2 millions worth, everyone's first course sucks, he was unlucky enough to have a lot of people buy his first product. Then be labeled a scammer by drama channels because it wasn't university quality content. These people are producing nothing themselves just amplifying problems in other people.
Beaver117 5y ago
Stupid people should be allowed to take risks
- alephnan 5y ago
  Like video slot machines? Elderly folks getting scammed?
  - GaryTang 5y ago
    Unions? BLM? Climate-change groups? OWS?
- yellow_lead 5y ago
  Normally the SEC regulates this. i.e PDT rule, accredited investor rules, etc
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  What you can stupidity is really ignorance and victimization by blatant fraud.
- jshen 5y ago
  You have to have limits and minimum standards if you want well functioning markets.
mikewarot 5y ago
Techlead is the internet version of that crazy uncle who tells really good stories, fun to listen to, even if you don't believe him. That's how he's gotten a million subscribers.
- 01100011 5y ago
  Well I have to give him credit for one thing. He let me know what valley salaries were like. He is the reason I came to the valley. Now, it kind of sucks that all of my vested RSUs are worth what I would have if I'd have kept my old house in SoCal, but assuming I can hold on to my FANG job for another year it will be worth it. It also got several of my friends to look for higher paying jobs outside of SoCal, and a couple of them are now millionaires after choosing a better company than I did. So hey, thanks Tech Lead. I also have to feel sorry for him since his wife left him and took his kid. Maybe it was deserved... I don't know. As a fellow survivor of a California divorce(why I needed a FANG income to begin with), I can't help but pity him. It could be why he's pushing the scams so hard now.
alephnan 5y ago
How can companies like Google change their hiring process and avoid toxic engineers like this? I’m sure he did well on the Leetcode interviews and even accelerated up the engineer ladder relatively quickly by “playing by the rules”
- MarkSweep 5y ago
  If you like toxic FAANG-engineer created crypto currencies, you’ll love my toxic NFT: https://www.programmerspoop.com/ https://www.programmerspoop.com/
  - MikeTheGreat 5y ago
    If there's one thing that I learned from Slashdot, it's to NOT click on links like this :)
- tolbish 5y ago
  These are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he delivers.
  - alephnan 5y ago
    I get the angle you’re coming from, but the Google interview is more mechanical and rubric driven It tries to avoid making biased or personal assessments about people in order to be inclusive. Obviously major red flags or cheating will be noted, but you don’t want to assume someone is an a*hole just because they are matter-of-fact ( IMO, there’s a thin line between the two ) and you have different communication styles
    - tolbish 5y ago
      If you cling to a mechanical interview process then you're more or less intentionally selecting for those craven enough to game mechanics.
jonathankoren 5y ago
This name and his face looks familiar. For some reason I believe he has a bad reputation, but I don’t know why. Can someone ELI5 who this guy is?
- godmode2019 5y ago
  He got fired from Facebook his comments on woman working in STEM, then later he was shadow banned on his main account for making videos linking BLM donations to the domains of the biden campaign - which went viral on twitter leading people to label him as a racist. After that he started 'Tech lead show' channel. Also him and another youtuber domain squatted another coding prep site which they sued for and won it back.
- busymom0 5y ago
  Asking for other people to comment on someone's reputation instead of doing that research yourself to make up your own mind is not a good habit. That's an easy way to get manipulated.
  - jonathankoren 5y ago
    You could say this about literally everything in the world. It’s at best a meaningless statement, and at worst a “you’re stupid”. Why? Because you’re always stuck synthesizing from someone else’s options unless you chase everything back to first principles, and who has time for that crap? It’s simply not worth the effort to spend a couple of hours on Google for some half remembered internet celebrity.
rvz 5y ago
Unsurprising here folks. As any new 'tokens', minted by any old Joe that are listed this year and are sitting on a famous blockchain like Ethereum already look like they are waiting for an exit scam to happen. Not the most elegant pump n dump, exit scams I've seen so far, but really, if anyone is saying "to the moon" or mentions the 'moon' it is a red flag here. Come on. Its obvious in the name: 'MillionToken' > "as a millionaire". This time as a scamillionaire.
tootahe45 5y ago
Isn't his channel all about making fun of how stupid crypto is?
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- emoII 5y ago
  Well maybe this is a way for him to prove his point?
fruit2020 5y ago
How is this different than all the other alt coins? Aren’t all the crypto founders making money from their ‘inventions’?
throwaway4good 5y ago
First of all: What is wrong with people? Secondly. There is "no rug pull" whatever that means. The coin is trading at 17 USD after being introduced at 1 USD less than a week ago: https://info.uniswap.org/#/tokens/0x6b4c7a5e3f0b99fcd83e9c089bddd6c7fce5c611 https://info.uniswap.org/#/tokens/0x6b4c7a5e3f0b99fcd83e9c08... The coin is described here: https://milliontoken.org https://milliontoken.org TechLead is a satirical channel and a satirical character. And this is a satirical project. The coin is worthless. It is 4 lines of original code. Basically just saying the supply is fixed at 1 mio tokens. It was introduced via Uniswaps liquidity provider mechanism with a thousand USD or so in liquidity. This will buy back the coin at 1 USD as long as the liquidity provider is running. Giving the coin a "market value" of 1 mio. USD even though it is of course absolutely worthless. Seeing this the crypto community started to traded it - higher and higher - while the founder of course sells into it.
nuker 5y ago
How much was in the rug?
matjazdrolc 5y ago
In 2021 I find it hard to see anyone losing money on crypto as a victim. Buying it is pure speculation. Bitcoin pivoted from exchanging value to storing it due to high cost and friction on transactions. And it will pivot again after it fails to store the value next time it crashes. Crypto is speculative and SEC are to some degree allowing people to gamble a bit - until something seriously blows up and gives them a reason to step in. TechLead’s coin is a play on DOGE, the original meme coin. Whoever got hurt it this must have ignored loud warnings from all sides.
pengwing 5y ago
I want to assess this situation by facts and not by sentiments for or against TechLead. Could someone please help me understand some facts: - The reddit post only provides an etherscan link to the transaction in which he adds liquidity. Where did he remove liquidity? - Permanent removal of liquidity clearly breaks the promise of 1MM for at least 1 USDC. But a temporary removal does not, correct? - As long as more people want to buy MM, a temporary removal of liquidity leads to a shortage of MM thereby driving price quicker. - I flat out don't understand the "selling without selling" part. It appears to me so far neither "MM will go to the moon" nor "1MM for 1USDC is guaranteed" appear to be false statements. Let's not call him a fraudster just yet.
- yoz-y 5y ago
  How can one just remove liquidity? Why is that even technically possible?
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  - pengwing 5y ago
    Anybody can provide liquidity to a uniswap liquidity pool and withdraw it at any time (ofc you will stop earning rewards). In uniswap v2 an LP is tied to a token pair. Here: (MM, USDC). In v3 there are some additional pricing range factors.
- thinkloop 5y ago
  > I flat out don't understand the "selling without selling" part. He HODLS 1M in his wallet in solidarity with the community to show he is not selling, but simultaneously secretly sells inflation to profit the same - is what the author is claiming.
  - andi999 5y ago
    If he wouldn't sell how could anybody buy? (or maybe I do not understand this coin) (I assume he owned all initial coins, or didnt he?)
nathias 5y ago
I always thought he was a troll/sarcastic, but it looks like not?
Kiro 5y ago
Link that is readable on mobile: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/odusa6/techlead_youtuber_with_11_million_subscribers_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/odusa6/tech...
phendrenad2 5y ago
Hate to be "that guy" but I have no idea how crypto works. What does it mean to "remove liquidity"?
- dna_polymerase 5y ago
  He removed money from Uniswap. Uniswap is a decentralized exchange. At the heart of it there is the ability to provide liquidity by funding the exchange wallets. Imagine Dollar and Apples as our currencies. The exchange rate is 1 to 1 for this example. So in order to provide Uniswap with liquidity you give them 100 dollar and 100 apples. People can trade against those assets, in turn you get a small fee for every trade. If person A comes along and buys 40 Apples, the Uniswap wallet now contains 140 dollar and 60 apples. These still belong to you, as they represent your share in the wallets. What Techlead did is, he created a coin (like our Apples) and provided Uniswap with his coin and USDC (basically a coin tied to the dollar). This way people could buy his coin. No, after them buying he pulled out money from the wallets, now his shares are predominantly in USDC. By removing the liquidity the pools are now incapable to provide sellers of his coin with USDC, therefor the market is dead.
poisonheader 5y ago
any crypto that isnt bitcoin, etc, or bch is just a scam imagine digging dirt out of the ground in your backyard and claiming it has value thats how i view crypto
- pkulak 5y ago
  Imagine digging that dirt polluted like a small country. That’s how I view Bitcoin.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    Imagine trillions of joules of energy was going into a process that was securing money for the planet, without its legacy gatekeepers being able to control or dictate their arbitrary rules. A revolutionary peer to peer system that allowed value to be transferred digitally! Then imagine folks that just fail to see this after 10+ years still think about coal power plants!
johndoe42377 5y ago
This is the top, lmao
young_unixer 5y ago
This dude is funny as shit, he could well be a character in the Silicon Valley TV series. The fact that he is being serious half of the time makes it funnier, IMO.
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  He's funny, and he speaks the truth most of the time.. Many people think he's only joking
jbverschoor 5y ago
The MM coin is clearly launched as a joke and to inform about how he created it. I like his channel.. been following him for quite a while, and I mostly agree with the things he says. He makes it sound like it's all a joke or made up, but it's really not.
- jhanschoo 5y ago
  I like a good bit of his content, but this is not the first time he got implicated in shady stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/kmqirv/techlead_500_course/ghgzg0q?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/kmqirv/t...
Kiro 5y ago
After watching his videos on this, it's pretty obvious to me that he created the coin as a joke/satire to show the absurdity. Yet most comments are talking seriously about this and comparing it to actual pump'n'dump scams. What's the deal?
- miohtama 5y ago
  Correct. No human person would buy this is an investment. If someone buys they are buying a lottery ticket and gambling against other crypto gamblers. I do think that using word scam warrants that someone is being lied in some point.
- dgb23 5y ago
  The deal is that he is a comedian first but also gives advice that is often superficial but serious enough so there is some value to it for beginner developers. It’s both satire and seemingly genuine encouragement. Most importantly he seems to be very good at YouTube marketing. Apparently many have watched his videos, even in this crowd, which means he knows how to attract views. My intuition is that this is a stunt, but there is a non zero chance that he is in over his head.
  - liaukovv 5y ago
    That's what makes it funny. If there was no ambiguity then it would be just really boring channel.
    - 3grdlurker 5y ago
      I mean, if people acknowledge that there’s ambiguity then how can others argue with absolute certainty that he’s just being satirical?
      - liaukovv 5y ago
        There is ambiguity the same way there is danger in roller coaster: just enough to make it interesting, but not enough to fool anybody.
dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago
Frankly, I don't understand why this is on the front page of HN. It's TechLead, it's enough to look at the title of his videos "I MADE A $1,000,000+ COIN. Introducing MILLION TOKEN, the cryptocurrency for millionaires" to understand it's a joke. Everything he is doing is a kind of weird humor, and this one is not an exception.
thomasdd 5y ago
In the initial YouTube video, mr.TechLead said: "I found it to be, quite interesting SOCIAL EXPERIMENT!". (8m 33s) ------------ I see this: ------------ 1. SOCIAL EXPERIMENT! Nothing else! 2. Funny experiment. Attacking the very current psychological aspects of people on internet. CLICK-HERE, and for 1$ USD you can have Yacht, Luxury Mansion, ... just tell them about 1M $, Crypto and Tokens! People will do whatever without thinking about it.
ALittleLight 5y ago
It is not at all clear to me that this is a scam or a rug pull. The uniswap pool[1] seems to show there is more than a million USDC left (unless I'm misreading this) and that is all that TechLead guaranteed - that you could sell the token back for 1 dollar minimum. You still can, right? In fact, the price is still up. I think cryptocurrencies generally are scams, but this one doesn't seem like any more of a scam than any other token. Maybe TechLead is selling some - but why wouldn't he? It's a gimmick token. 1 - https://info.uniswap.org/#/pools/0x84383fb05f610222430f69727aa638f8fdbf5cc1 https://info.uniswap.org/#/pools/0x84383fb05f610222430f69727...
gowthamgts12 5y ago
"And I think what makes MillionToken a powerful and genius idea as a ex-google, ex-facebook tech lead myself. you know i'm a genius" - https://youtu.be/-pN8jCpEFy0?t=142 https://youtu.be/-pN8jCpEFy0?t=142 god. do people actually fall for this crap?
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  I watched a couple of his videos, but the way he flaunted his titles really put me off.
- GaryTang 5y ago
  He’s joking. It can be very difficult to understand humor but also very rewarding.
loopz 5y ago
Social media has platformed many narcissists and psychopaths. They still pose considerable trouble and damage to individuals, even when actually skilled. It boils down to wether skills are all that should be valued in life, or not. Making jokes and making people laugh is an old trick in the hustler and charmer book. But what is behind the façade? Even the life of a digital nomad, if it's staying in hotel rooms or living alone. Not a good life even for people on the spectrum. Unfortunately people mix up these oppositional personality traits all the time. "Karma bit me hard, as a millionaire."
mikewarot 5y ago
Apparently trading volume in the last 24 hours was almost all the shares at more than $10.00 each. So if he sold 85% like he said he would, he can now keep a floor price of $1.00 in place forever, and still have made a profit of about $9,000,000. https://coincost.net/en/currency/million https://coincost.net/en/currency/million
kebman 5y ago
TechLead's lates update on the token: Million Token - Answering questions and status update (as a Millionaire) ^[1] ^[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iITypTHJnAQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iITypTHJnAQ
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197 points by donsupreme 5y ago

Techlead is textbook "uncanny valley". I do not fathom this world, where people invest in his tokens. Yet! here we are...

Apocryphon 5y ago
It’s a great business model for has-been pseudo-celebrities.
prvc 5y ago
At first I assumed he had an extremely dry, dark sense of humor, but perhaps you are right and he is simply beyond my comprehension.

hellotomyrars 5y ago

It’s not the same but when Elon Musk can move the needle due to sycophants by tweeting anything how different is the result really? It’s so hard to take crypto seriously.

donmcronald 5y ago

There are a TON of influencers pump and dumping crypto. Where’s the SEC?

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MattGaiser 5y ago
Nobody wants them in the space so I can see reluctance over that.
colechristensen 5y ago
The question is are cryptocurrencies securities? There have been ICOs which definitely have been represented as securities and have been regulated/quashed/fined. But when not used as a representation of ownership of currencies or assets... what is a cryptocurrency and does it fit into existing law about securities fraud? Another way to ask the question: should the SEC regulate pump and dump schemes with collectables? (I'd say beanie babies and pokemon cards to date myself, I don't know what people are speculating on these days)
- donmcronald 5y ago
  > The question is are cryptocurrencies securities? The tax guidance in Canada says yes, they are. I don’t think they’re being advertised like collectibles. They’re advertised like investments. This is the first time I’ve actually heard them compared to collectibles. My personal experience makes me believe there’s not much liquidity. Also, as a class of currency the crypto scene is printing money faster than anything we’ve ever seen in history IMO.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    There is a difference between an investment and a security. A security is very specifically an instrument which represents the value of something else. And tax guidance isn't the same as general classification of something (there are lots of really weird tax rules. For example: the US supreme court decided that a tomato was a vegetable, not a fruit for tax purposes while it is without any question actually a fruit.
    - donmcronald 5y ago
      I guess I don’t know enough about the technical differences. Doesn’t the SEC regulate both?
      - colechristensen 5y ago
        "investment" is vague The SEC regulates how companies represent themselves to investors and how certain things representing ownership are traded and represented. The exact surface that fits inside the SEC I don't know exactly and one has to be an expert to know (and the SEC doesn't necessarily know itself). Cryptocurrencies went from being completely outside regulation to somewhat inside, but the laws, courts, and regulations are starting to slowly catch up. Everyone is still figuring out things as they go along. When cryptos are used to represent a piece of ownership though, it is cut and dry, they are securities and subject to existing regulations. When cryptos don't correspond to the value of something external though, they are somewhat new and just don't yet fit into the existing regulatory framework and the attitude of regulators is generally wait and see while going after the most clear abuses and easy cases first to build up a framework for whatever the future will hold. "common sense" of what cryptos are or aren't doesn't work, whatever regulators do, there will be high profile lawsuits for the courts to decide what they are and aren't, shaping this process and doing things which are clearly legal or illegal first in the best interests of the regulator is what happens. (in other words, they don't want to go out on a limb right away in tricky edge cases, they want to get things in a pattern and decided with the easy cases first)
Ecto5 5y ago
wasnt crypto's entire usp its decentralized nature? No Fed,SEC or other centralized body that would breathe down your neck. People didnt want these institutions controlling thir assets, i guess the obvious downside of no regulatory support when things go wrong should be part of the risk one takes when investing in crypto.
- ElViajero 5y ago
  > wasnt crypto's entire usp its decentralized nature? No Fed,SEC or other centralized body that would breathe down your neck. I can plant tobacco and make "unregulated cigarretes" with the goal of not being regulated by any government. The goal is that you can smoke it anywhere, no regulations on its composition, and I can advertise it anywhere. That does not matter, it is still regulated and I cannot unilaterally opt-out of government regulations. (Or I can, but that is a crime and is what crime organizations do).

ozzythecat 5y ago

Not familiar with his crypto hustle, but I watched some Martin Kleppman talks on YouTube, and Tech Lead commercials started devouring my YouTube. The algorithm mistook me for not knowing how to code? Not sure. Apparently this tech lead guy created programming videos to teach you how to get hired at big tech companies. It turned out the partner guy in the videos wasn’t even a developer but had maybe interned somewhere in data science? And both of these guys were claiming to be career professionals, as if they were staff or principal engineers. The ads reminded me of another character from many years ago that would show off a Lamborghini or some sports car in his garage with a wall of books - another scammy self help guru. Edit: I looked tech lead up on YouTube as I read the Reddit post and typed up this post. I can’t tell if this guy is trying to be a parody/using dry humor or if he’s a narcissist sociopath.

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monkeybutton 5y ago
Sounds like you need to build some passive income streams and generate wealth. Please buy the online course I'm hucking on YouTube because I'm such an expert in these topics. Seriously though, it pains me to see the young and naive fall for these scams. Also, wasn't there a data science YouTuber recently that was busted for more or less plagiarizing their content?
- paulgb 5y ago
  > Also, wasn't there a data science YouTuber recently that was busted for more or less plagiarizing their content? You might be thinking of Siraj Raval? https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewM_Webb/status/1183150368945049605 https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewM_Webb/status/1183150368945... (Or not, I’m sure there’s been a dozen other cases of this in data science alone)
  - monkeybutton 5y ago
    Yes! That is who I'm thinking of. For anyone else reading, the scandals go beyond the one twitter thread: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2019/10/16/why-siraj-ravals-plagiarism-is-the-future-of-plagiarism/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2019/10/16/why-siraj-ravals-...

stretchwithme 5y ago

Anyone who's always speaking "as a millionaire" isn't someone I'd listen to.

dijit 5y ago
His channel is satire. The problem I have with it is the extreme deadpan delivery, the arrogance and closeness to reality. Obviously he’s playing a character; but I wish I didn’t get so much of a “this is serious” vibe.
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  That’s the danger of being good at deadpan delivery.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  I would argue that the reason you get "this is serious" vibes is because he's actually more serious than satire. I really don't think he's playing a character. His videos have been like this for years, it's only in the last year or so that he's ramped up the "satire" content to a ridiculous level.
  - dijit 5y ago
    I genuinely struggled to understand if it was satire before. But given how often the words he’s chosen are deliberately sarcastic - or other situations where he would have the opportunity to save fact to make himself look better, but leans in to the character (for comedic effect I don’t doubt) makes me believe it must be satire. Like the numerous “this one tip” videos where he goes on and on about the tip and then it turns out to be “be predestined for this job” or “get referred” or something. Of course I could be misreading it.
    - rightbyte 5y ago
      Being sarcastic does not make it satire by it self though. It might just as well be arrogance.

jordhy 5y ago

This guy should face consequences. He has a million subscribers. Wow.

pawelduda 5y ago
Exactly. He shouldn't be able to just go to SNL and shill his bags to his followers. EDIT: wrong thread nevermind

diimdeep 5y ago

Not surprising, I've seen people complain on reddit that TechLead 500$ video courses is basically Cracking the Coding Interview book repackaged and leetcode problems copy-paste.

mikewarot 5y ago

As I said 3 days ago, when he announced it "If you were to sell 0.001 token for $1.00, you'd then have a Billion Dollar Valuation. ;-) This reminds me of a stock market simulation in my Econ 102 class. With a fellow student, we picked a few stocks, and sold them to each other for a very low price, and then bought all of them up as the other students watched the trends. We repeated this for 1/2 of the stocks in the simulation. We then sold each other 1 share of those stocks for $99.99 (the maximum price in the simulation), and ended up with almost all the money. 8) The professor thought we must have hacked the computer, but we played by the rules." It is obvious that all the new cryptocurrencies are just like that econ 102 class simulation, and just as vulnerable to gaming, but this time with real money.

ganafagol 5y ago
> The professor thought we must have hacked the computer, but we played by the rules." Sounds like a terrible prof then. What is such a simulation supposed to teach if not that those kinds of attacks are possible? These are inherent in the construction of the system and your prof should have just given you cudos for having understood that.
- mikewarot 5y ago
  It was the early 1980s, and someone had recently hacked the school's VAX system. It was a reasonable guess.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
I have a question: > we picked a few stocks, and sold them to each other for a very low price, and then bought all of them up as the other students watched the trends. We repeated this for 1/2 of the stocks in the simulation. I can see how you could use this strategy to exchange a fairly low amount of money for these stocks. But that would mean you have less money than you started with, and more stock. > We then sold each other 1 share of those stocks for $99.99 (the maximum price in the simulation), and ended up with almost all the money. And then this trade causes you to have the same amount of money and the same amount of stock. How did you get the money back? Did you actually end up with almost all of the money, or did you end up with almost all of the market capitalization? It shouldn't be possible to make any sales of a stock at the maximum price, because the only thing that can happen to you, if you buy a stock at the maximum price, is that the price of your stock goes down.

bArray 5y ago

Highly recommend CoffeeZilla (Youtube): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw He has a very good video recently on a scam being run by influencers and provides some pretty damning evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI

godmode2019 5y ago
If you are familiar with the term 'Drama channels', they are a very toxic genre where the group finds a target and gives their opinion about the alleged offences. All good and well except they started to create the drama and their fans would dogpile on people or as twitter would describe 'Targeted harassment campaigns'. CoffeeZilla is a drama channel often with dubious opinion driven videos. There a few other drama channels in the professional world but I won't give them spotlight.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Nah, scam debunking is a good and fun genre. There are so many YouTube ads promising so many false get rich quick schemes that it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Exposing the affiliate marketing, fake guru, forex, dropshipping, class hustling frauds of social media is an entertaining public service.
  - godmode2019 5y ago
    Sure, but where is the line between bad first product and being a scammer. As a dev my first products are generally pretty average and my prices are high to filter to people that actually want the solution I'm selling. My opinions is being a scammer you have the intention to take someone's money with out delivering any marketed value. So there is the problem who can comment on someone intention. I remember when coffeezila went after a youtuber who created a course. It was his first course but he sold 2 millions worth, everyone's first course sucks, he was unlucky enough to have a lot of people buy his first product. Then be labeled a scammer by drama channels because it wasn't university quality content. These people are producing nothing themselves just amplifying problems in other people.

Beaver117 5y ago

Stupid people should be allowed to take risks

alephnan 5y ago
Like video slot machines? Elderly folks getting scammed?
- GaryTang 5y ago
  Unions? BLM? Climate-change groups? OWS?
yellow_lead 5y ago
Normally the SEC regulates this. i.e PDT rule, accredited investor rules, etc
Apocryphon 5y ago
What you can stupidity is really ignorance and victimization by blatant fraud.
jshen 5y ago
You have to have limits and minimum standards if you want well functioning markets.

mikewarot 5y ago

Techlead is the internet version of that crazy uncle who tells really good stories, fun to listen to, even if you don't believe him. That's how he's gotten a million subscribers.

01100011 5y ago
Well I have to give him credit for one thing. He let me know what valley salaries were like. He is the reason I came to the valley. Now, it kind of sucks that all of my vested RSUs are worth what I would have if I'd have kept my old house in SoCal, but assuming I can hold on to my FANG job for another year it will be worth it. It also got several of my friends to look for higher paying jobs outside of SoCal, and a couple of them are now millionaires after choosing a better company than I did. So hey, thanks Tech Lead. I also have to feel sorry for him since his wife left him and took his kid. Maybe it was deserved... I don't know. As a fellow survivor of a California divorce(why I needed a FANG income to begin with), I can't help but pity him. It could be why he's pushing the scams so hard now.

alephnan 5y ago

How can companies like Google change their hiring process and avoid toxic engineers like this? I’m sure he did well on the Leetcode interviews and even accelerated up the engineer ladder relatively quickly by “playing by the rules”

MarkSweep 5y ago
If you like toxic FAANG-engineer created crypto currencies, you’ll love my toxic NFT: https://www.programmerspoop.com/ https://www.programmerspoop.com/
- MikeTheGreat 5y ago
  If there's one thing that I learned from Slashdot, it's to NOT click on links like this :)
tolbish 5y ago
These are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he delivers.
- alephnan 5y ago
  I get the angle you’re coming from, but the Google interview is more mechanical and rubric driven It tries to avoid making biased or personal assessments about people in order to be inclusive. Obviously major red flags or cheating will be noted, but you don’t want to assume someone is an a*hole just because they are matter-of-fact ( IMO, there’s a thin line between the two ) and you have different communication styles
  - tolbish 5y ago
    If you cling to a mechanical interview process then you're more or less intentionally selecting for those craven enough to game mechanics.

jonathankoren 5y ago

This name and his face looks familiar. For some reason I believe he has a bad reputation, but I don’t know why. Can someone ELI5 who this guy is?

godmode2019 5y ago
He got fired from Facebook his comments on woman working in STEM, then later he was shadow banned on his main account for making videos linking BLM donations to the domains of the biden campaign - which went viral on twitter leading people to label him as a racist. After that he started 'Tech lead show' channel. Also him and another youtuber domain squatted another coding prep site which they sued for and won it back.
busymom0 5y ago
Asking for other people to comment on someone's reputation instead of doing that research yourself to make up your own mind is not a good habit. That's an easy way to get manipulated.
- jonathankoren 5y ago
  You could say this about literally everything in the world. It’s at best a meaningless statement, and at worst a “you’re stupid”. Why? Because you’re always stuck synthesizing from someone else’s options unless you chase everything back to first principles, and who has time for that crap? It’s simply not worth the effort to spend a couple of hours on Google for some half remembered internet celebrity.

rvz 5y ago

Unsurprising here folks. As any new 'tokens', minted by any old Joe that are listed this year and are sitting on a famous blockchain like Ethereum already look like they are waiting for an exit scam to happen. Not the most elegant pump n dump, exit scams I've seen so far, but really, if anyone is saying "to the moon" or mentions the 'moon' it is a red flag here. Come on. Its obvious in the name: 'MillionToken' > "as a millionaire". This time as a scamillionaire.

tootahe45 5y ago

Isn't his channel all about making fun of how stupid crypto is?

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emoII 5y ago
Well maybe this is a way for him to prove his point?

fruit2020 5y ago

How is this different than all the other alt coins? Aren’t all the crypto founders making money from their ‘inventions’?

throwaway4good 5y ago

First of all: What is wrong with people? Secondly. There is "no rug pull" whatever that means. The coin is trading at 17 USD after being introduced at 1 USD less than a week ago: https://info.uniswap.org/#/tokens/0x6b4c7a5e3f0b99fcd83e9c089bddd6c7fce5c611 https://info.uniswap.org/#/tokens/0x6b4c7a5e3f0b99fcd83e9c08... The coin is described here: https://milliontoken.org https://milliontoken.org TechLead is a satirical channel and a satirical character. And this is a satirical project. The coin is worthless. It is 4 lines of original code. Basically just saying the supply is fixed at 1 mio tokens. It was introduced via Uniswaps liquidity provider mechanism with a thousand USD or so in liquidity. This will buy back the coin at 1 USD as long as the liquidity provider is running. Giving the coin a "market value" of 1 mio. USD even though it is of course absolutely worthless. Seeing this the crypto community started to traded it - higher and higher - while the founder of course sells into it.

nuker 5y ago

How much was in the rug?

matjazdrolc 5y ago

In 2021 I find it hard to see anyone losing money on crypto as a victim. Buying it is pure speculation. Bitcoin pivoted from exchanging value to storing it due to high cost and friction on transactions. And it will pivot again after it fails to store the value next time it crashes. Crypto is speculative and SEC are to some degree allowing people to gamble a bit - until something seriously blows up and gives them a reason to step in. TechLead’s coin is a play on DOGE, the original meme coin. Whoever got hurt it this must have ignored loud warnings from all sides.

pengwing 5y ago

I want to assess this situation by facts and not by sentiments for or against TechLead. Could someone please help me understand some facts: - The reddit post only provides an etherscan link to the transaction in which he adds liquidity. Where did he remove liquidity? - Permanent removal of liquidity clearly breaks the promise of 1MM for at least 1 USDC. But a temporary removal does not, correct? - As long as more people want to buy MM, a temporary removal of liquidity leads to a shortage of MM thereby driving price quicker. - I flat out don't understand the "selling without selling" part. It appears to me so far neither "MM will go to the moon" nor "1MM for 1USDC is guaranteed" appear to be false statements. Let's not call him a fraudster just yet.

yoz-y 5y ago
How can one just remove liquidity? Why is that even technically possible?
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- pengwing 5y ago
  Anybody can provide liquidity to a uniswap liquidity pool and withdraw it at any time (ofc you will stop earning rewards). In uniswap v2 an LP is tied to a token pair. Here: (MM, USDC). In v3 there are some additional pricing range factors.
thinkloop 5y ago
> I flat out don't understand the "selling without selling" part. He HODLS 1M in his wallet in solidarity with the community to show he is not selling, but simultaneously secretly sells inflation to profit the same - is what the author is claiming.
- andi999 5y ago
  If he wouldn't sell how could anybody buy? (or maybe I do not understand this coin) (I assume he owned all initial coins, or didnt he?)

nathias 5y ago

I always thought he was a troll/sarcastic, but it looks like not?

Kiro 5y ago

Link that is readable on mobile: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/odusa6/techlead_youtuber_with_11_million_subscribers_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/odusa6/tech...

phendrenad2 5y ago

Hate to be "that guy" but I have no idea how crypto works. What does it mean to "remove liquidity"?

dna_polymerase 5y ago
He removed money from Uniswap. Uniswap is a decentralized exchange. At the heart of it there is the ability to provide liquidity by funding the exchange wallets. Imagine Dollar and Apples as our currencies. The exchange rate is 1 to 1 for this example. So in order to provide Uniswap with liquidity you give them 100 dollar and 100 apples. People can trade against those assets, in turn you get a small fee for every trade. If person A comes along and buys 40 Apples, the Uniswap wallet now contains 140 dollar and 60 apples. These still belong to you, as they represent your share in the wallets. What Techlead did is, he created a coin (like our Apples) and provided Uniswap with his coin and USDC (basically a coin tied to the dollar). This way people could buy his coin. No, after them buying he pulled out money from the wallets, now his shares are predominantly in USDC. By removing the liquidity the pools are now incapable to provide sellers of his coin with USDC, therefor the market is dead.

poisonheader 5y ago

any crypto that isnt bitcoin, etc, or bch is just a scam imagine digging dirt out of the ground in your backyard and claiming it has value thats how i view crypto

pkulak 5y ago
Imagine digging that dirt polluted like a small country. That’s how I view Bitcoin.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  Imagine trillions of joules of energy was going into a process that was securing money for the planet, without its legacy gatekeepers being able to control or dictate their arbitrary rules. A revolutionary peer to peer system that allowed value to be transferred digitally! Then imagine folks that just fail to see this after 10+ years still think about coal power plants!

johndoe42377 5y ago

This is the top, lmao

young_unixer 5y ago

This dude is funny as shit, he could well be a character in the Silicon Valley TV series. The fact that he is being serious half of the time makes it funnier, IMO.

jbverschoor 5y ago
He's funny, and he speaks the truth most of the time.. Many people think he's only joking

jbverschoor 5y ago

The MM coin is clearly launched as a joke and to inform about how he created it. I like his channel.. been following him for quite a while, and I mostly agree with the things he says. He makes it sound like it's all a joke or made up, but it's really not.

jhanschoo 5y ago
I like a good bit of his content, but this is not the first time he got implicated in shady stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/kmqirv/techlead_500_course/ghgzg0q?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/kmqirv/t...

Kiro 5y ago

After watching his videos on this, it's pretty obvious to me that he created the coin as a joke/satire to show the absurdity. Yet most comments are talking seriously about this and comparing it to actual pump'n'dump scams. What's the deal?

miohtama 5y ago
Correct. No human person would buy this is an investment. If someone buys they are buying a lottery ticket and gambling against other crypto gamblers. I do think that using word scam warrants that someone is being lied in some point.
dgb23 5y ago
The deal is that he is a comedian first but also gives advice that is often superficial but serious enough so there is some value to it for beginner developers. It’s both satire and seemingly genuine encouragement. Most importantly he seems to be very good at YouTube marketing. Apparently many have watched his videos, even in this crowd, which means he knows how to attract views. My intuition is that this is a stunt, but there is a non zero chance that he is in over his head.
- liaukovv 5y ago
  That's what makes it funny. If there was no ambiguity then it would be just really boring channel.
  - 3grdlurker 5y ago
    I mean, if people acknowledge that there’s ambiguity then how can others argue with absolute certainty that he’s just being satirical?
    - liaukovv 5y ago
      There is ambiguity the same way there is danger in roller coaster: just enough to make it interesting, but not enough to fool anybody.

dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago

Frankly, I don't understand why this is on the front page of HN. It's TechLead, it's enough to look at the title of his videos "I MADE A $1,000,000+ COIN. Introducing MILLION TOKEN, the cryptocurrency for millionaires" to understand it's a joke. Everything he is doing is a kind of weird humor, and this one is not an exception.

thomasdd 5y ago

In the initial YouTube video, mr.TechLead said: "I found it to be, quite interesting SOCIAL EXPERIMENT!". (8m 33s) ------------ I see this: ------------ 1. SOCIAL EXPERIMENT! Nothing else! 2. Funny experiment. Attacking the very current psychological aspects of people on internet. CLICK-HERE, and for 1$ USD you can have Yacht, Luxury Mansion, ... just tell them about 1M $, Crypto and Tokens! People will do whatever without thinking about it.

ALittleLight 5y ago

It is not at all clear to me that this is a scam or a rug pull. The uniswap pool[1] seems to show there is more than a million USDC left (unless I'm misreading this) and that is all that TechLead guaranteed - that you could sell the token back for 1 dollar minimum. You still can, right? In fact, the price is still up. I think cryptocurrencies generally are scams, but this one doesn't seem like any more of a scam than any other token. Maybe TechLead is selling some - but why wouldn't he? It's a gimmick token. 1 - https://info.uniswap.org/#/pools/0x84383fb05f610222430f69727aa638f8fdbf5cc1 https://info.uniswap.org/#/pools/0x84383fb05f610222430f69727...

gowthamgts12 5y ago

"And I think what makes MillionToken a powerful and genius idea as a ex-google, ex-facebook tech lead myself. you know i'm a genius" - https://youtu.be/-pN8jCpEFy0?t=142 https://youtu.be/-pN8jCpEFy0?t=142 god. do people actually fall for this crap?

netizen-936824 5y ago
I watched a couple of his videos, but the way he flaunted his titles really put me off.
GaryTang 5y ago
He’s joking. It can be very difficult to understand humor but also very rewarding.

loopz 5y ago

Social media has platformed many narcissists and psychopaths. They still pose considerable trouble and damage to individuals, even when actually skilled. It boils down to wether skills are all that should be valued in life, or not. Making jokes and making people laugh is an old trick in the hustler and charmer book. But what is behind the façade? Even the life of a digital nomad, if it's staying in hotel rooms or living alone. Not a good life even for people on the spectrum. Unfortunately people mix up these oppositional personality traits all the time. "Karma bit me hard, as a millionaire."

mikewarot 5y ago

Apparently trading volume in the last 24 hours was almost all the shares at more than $10.00 each. So if he sold 85% like he said he would, he can now keep a floor price of $1.00 in place forever, and still have made a profit of about $9,000,000. https://coincost.net/en/currency/million https://coincost.net/en/currency/million

kebman 5y ago

TechLead's lates update on the token: Million Token - Answering questions and status update (as a Millionaire) ^[1] ^[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iITypTHJnAQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iITypTHJnAQ

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