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I hate to be the one that says this but I think it‘s true: "So you are an SWE and you take a break from work to go to Hackernews to complain that Github's Copi

I hate to be the one that says this but I think it‘s true: "So you are an SWE and you take a break from work to go to Hackernews to complain that Github's Copilot, which is an AI-based solution meant to help SWEs, is utter shit and completely unusuable. And then you go back to writing AI-based solutions for some other profession. Which is totally not shit or anything.“ Can anybody put this more elegantly?

SamBam 5y ago
"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
skinkestek 5y ago
You mean like the insanely annoying AIs that replaced Google search? The idiotic one that files Javascript books under "Law" in Amazon or the insulting one who runs Ad Sense and thinks my wife isn't good enough and I am stupid enough to leave her for some mail order bride?
- donkeybeer 5y ago
  Javascript books under "Law" is hilarious
  - drdaeman 5y ago
    I'm in for JavaScript Penal Code. Make that unwarranted type-coercing operator use punishable by law.
    - axiosgunnar 5y ago
      Instead of prison you go to callback hell
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  - chayleaf 5y ago
    well, if you write a DRM in JS, it becomes law...
- shadilay 5y ago
  Maybe the Google AI is a polygamist and thinks you ought to have a 2nd wife?
MajorBee 5y ago
A variation of the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect? "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gell-mann-amnesia-effect-is-as-follows-you https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...
- edgyquant 5y ago
  I would do this with Reddit posts. I’d see the top comment under something I was familiar with and see it was full of holes or just incorrect but then I’d go to a post about something I didn’t know all that well and take the top comment at face value.
thinkingemote 5y ago
The most common example of this would probably be complaining about advertising whilst working for a business that depends on advertising to survive. Ultimately it's a kind of Kafkaesque trap that modern living has us all in to a larger or lesser extent.
- srcreigh 5y ago
  That's a bit different. Advertising is like a race to the bottom, where everybody to survive takes part. You can do that meanwhile wish that it could somehow not be that way. Same with environmental issues. The GP comment by contrast is about hypocrisy. I personally found it funny that I didn't ever read about (or consider) copyright violations of deep learning until they tried to do it with code :-) Of course programmers would find the problem with AI as soon as it exploited them.
marcosdumay 5y ago
There are probably good ways to apply AI to software development (has anybody tried to build a linter already?). It is this product that is very bad. The same certainly apply to other tasks.
- Loeffeldude 5y ago
  How would an AI linter even work? And how would it be better than just a regular linter?
TeMPOraL 5y ago
Dunno. I go to HN because it's the one place where I can whine about AI being total bullshit, for the exact reasons as we're now complaining about wrt. Copilot.
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Hamuko 5y ago
>And then you go back to writing AI-based solutions for some other profession. I don't know what you're talking about, I'm a webshit developer.
joe_the_user 5y ago
SWEs create AI based solutions to X 'cause people pay them. Entrepreneurs and investors are the one who actually think they're the answer to everything. Also, Copilot might (or might not) be useless or even interfere with real work. But it's probably low on the scale of awful things SWEs have helped create. The AI parole app is a thing that should haunt the nightmare of whoever created it, for example. But lots of AI apps may be useless but are probably also harmless so doing that might not be worst thing.
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SamBam 5y ago

"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."

skinkestek 5y ago

You mean like the insanely annoying AIs that replaced Google search? The idiotic one that files Javascript books under "Law" in Amazon or the insulting one who runs Ad Sense and thinks my wife isn't good enough and I am stupid enough to leave her for some mail order bride?

donkeybeer 5y ago
Javascript books under "Law" is hilarious
- drdaeman 5y ago
  I'm in for JavaScript Penal Code. Make that unwarranted type-coercing operator use punishable by law.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    Instead of prison you go to callback hell
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- chayleaf 5y ago
  well, if you write a DRM in JS, it becomes law...
shadilay 5y ago
Maybe the Google AI is a polygamist and thinks you ought to have a 2nd wife?

MajorBee 5y ago

A variation of the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect? "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-gell-mann-amnesia-effect-is-as-follows-you https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...

edgyquant 5y ago
I would do this with Reddit posts. I’d see the top comment under something I was familiar with and see it was full of holes or just incorrect but then I’d go to a post about something I didn’t know all that well and take the top comment at face value.

thinkingemote 5y ago

The most common example of this would probably be complaining about advertising whilst working for a business that depends on advertising to survive. Ultimately it's a kind of Kafkaesque trap that modern living has us all in to a larger or lesser extent.

srcreigh 5y ago
That's a bit different. Advertising is like a race to the bottom, where everybody to survive takes part. You can do that meanwhile wish that it could somehow not be that way. Same with environmental issues. The GP comment by contrast is about hypocrisy. I personally found it funny that I didn't ever read about (or consider) copyright violations of deep learning until they tried to do it with code :-) Of course programmers would find the problem with AI as soon as it exploited them.

marcosdumay 5y ago

There are probably good ways to apply AI to software development (has anybody tried to build a linter already?). It is this product that is very bad. The same certainly apply to other tasks.

Loeffeldude 5y ago
How would an AI linter even work? And how would it be better than just a regular linter?

TeMPOraL 5y ago

Dunno. I go to HN because it's the one place where I can whine about AI being total bullshit, for the exact reasons as we're now complaining about wrt. Copilot.

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Hamuko 5y ago

>And then you go back to writing AI-based solutions for some other profession. I don't know what you're talking about, I'm a webshit developer.

joe_the_user 5y ago

SWEs create AI based solutions to X 'cause people pay them. Entrepreneurs and investors are the one who actually think they're the answer to everything. Also, Copilot might (or might not) be useless or even interfere with real work. But it's probably low on the scale of awful things SWEs have helped create. The AI parole app is a thing that should haunt the nightmare of whoever created it, for example. But lots of AI apps may be useless but are probably also harmless so doing that might not be worst thing.

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