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This might surprise you but Americans aren't the only people on this forum. But I guess it's okay to leave us all out to pasture if it means you can concentrat

This might surprise you but Americans aren't the only people on this forum. But I guess it's okay to leave us all out to pasture if it means you can concentrate just a bit more of wealth.

matkoniecz 5y ago
What is described here is why I am hopeful about wider WFH in USA and general. Precisely because it can result in some jobs moving to poorer countries, including mine. (I am from Poland and some informatics/programming is outsourced here already from USA)
adventured 5y ago
> But I guess it's okay to leave us all out to pasture if it means you can concentrate just a bit more of wealth. If we're speaking of things like employment, of course people should look out for their own self-interest. Proposing the opposite is to propose suicide. The people of Norway should donate their trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund to Togo? As opposed to continuing to concentrate their extraordinary wealth figure and continuing to act in their own national self-interest. Togo only has eight million people, imagine how rich all the people of Togo could be if Norway weren't so selfish. Next you might want to convince all the world's great economies to drop all trade restrictions and stop protecting themselves. Then take the next logical step: stop protecting all workers from big globalist corporations, drop all labor laws and protections.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  > Proposing the opposite is to propose suicide. That feels extreme... I don't think the opposite of "some jobs will leave the US" is "I'm going to kill myself". Ditto the rest of your post. Nothing but a bunch of straw man/ slippery slope.
  - adventured 5y ago
    You didn't actually say anything in retort. Merely saying ditto, or saying that something is supposedly a straw-man, isn't a supported position, it's the lack of supporting your position/claims. It's particularly obvious "suicide" is meant as a figure of speech, although frankly it's not too far from the truth, given what deindustrialization (loss of very large numbers of manufacturing jobs) did to large swaths of the US. It did in fact cause large increases in suicide numbers, along with a horror show of other consequences / fallout. I doubt anybody is confused over the dire consequences of what happened across the US as manufacturing jobs got wiped out.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      Yeah, I don't have to have a substantive response to a strawman.
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- dools 5y ago
  Companies should also look out for their self interest and employ the best possible talent at the lowest possible cost
  - cudgy 5y ago
    … While simultaneously living under the umbrella of the US taxpayers who fund a monster US defense department that sends young Americans to secure resources for these corporations by killing countless people in defenseless nations.
- approxim8ion 5y ago
  You conveniently misrepresented an opinion and then ran it to the most illogical conclusion possible. Saying the most highly paid US workers take a 10% pay cut if it means other economies rose above the poverty line is absolutely fine in my opinion. If you think that is akin to starving the entire US population so my country can live like Sheikhs, I feel like that's on you.
  - adventured 5y ago
    > If you think that is akin to starving the entire US population so my country can live like Sheikhs, I feel like that's on you. Talk about jumping 27 places in terms of drawing artificial conclusions. I got to see, up close, what deindustrialization looks like, during the 1980s and 1990s in the US. Its consequences are intensely negative on the population it affects. Allowing the US tech industry to be outsourced to save big corporations money, would be an identical repeat of the stupidity of what the US intentionally allowed to happen to its industrial empire - in the name of globalist corporations boosting their margins - in the second half of the 20th century. If you want to see what a selfish industrial policy looks like, look no further than Germany. They protected their industry, they acted in their own national self-interest, and their people have benefited enormously from it over the last few decades.
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    - approxim8ion 5y ago
      >I got to see, up close, what deindustrialization looks like, during the 1980s and 1990s in the US. I don't have the same experience so I can't argue it. > Allowing the US tech industry to be outsourced would be an identical repeat of the stupidity of what the US intentionally allowed to happen to its industrial empire And yet it seems to me that you're doing rather well as an economy all these years later. Wasn't the capitalist argument that the size of the pie is not fixed or some such?
      - loopz 5y ago
kuahyeow 5y ago
Also, OP, the world is bigger than just the American continent :)
fuckblaine 5y ago
yes - thats why i'm hopeful for a decent paying (by my standards) job with a US company Bring it on!!

This might surprise you but Americans aren't the only people on this forum. But I guess it's okay to leave us all out to pasture if it means you can concentrate just a bit more of wealth.

matkoniecz 5y ago

What is described here is why I am hopeful about wider WFH in USA and general. Precisely because it can result in some jobs moving to poorer countries, including mine. (I am from Poland and some informatics/programming is outsourced here already from USA)

adventured 5y ago

> But I guess it's okay to leave us all out to pasture if it means you can concentrate just a bit more of wealth. If we're speaking of things like employment, of course people should look out for their own self-interest. Proposing the opposite is to propose suicide. The people of Norway should donate their trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund to Togo? As opposed to continuing to concentrate their extraordinary wealth figure and continuing to act in their own national self-interest. Togo only has eight million people, imagine how rich all the people of Togo could be if Norway weren't so selfish. Next you might want to convince all the world's great economies to drop all trade restrictions and stop protecting themselves. Then take the next logical step: stop protecting all workers from big globalist corporations, drop all labor laws and protections.

staticassertion 5y ago
> Proposing the opposite is to propose suicide. That feels extreme... I don't think the opposite of "some jobs will leave the US" is "I'm going to kill myself". Ditto the rest of your post. Nothing but a bunch of straw man/ slippery slope.
- adventured 5y ago
  You didn't actually say anything in retort. Merely saying ditto, or saying that something is supposedly a straw-man, isn't a supported position, it's the lack of supporting your position/claims. It's particularly obvious "suicide" is meant as a figure of speech, although frankly it's not too far from the truth, given what deindustrialization (loss of very large numbers of manufacturing jobs) did to large swaths of the US. It did in fact cause large increases in suicide numbers, along with a horror show of other consequences / fallout. I doubt anybody is confused over the dire consequences of what happened across the US as manufacturing jobs got wiped out.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    Yeah, I don't have to have a substantive response to a strawman.
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dools 5y ago
Companies should also look out for their self interest and employ the best possible talent at the lowest possible cost
- cudgy 5y ago
  … While simultaneously living under the umbrella of the US taxpayers who fund a monster US defense department that sends young Americans to secure resources for these corporations by killing countless people in defenseless nations.
approxim8ion 5y ago
You conveniently misrepresented an opinion and then ran it to the most illogical conclusion possible. Saying the most highly paid US workers take a 10% pay cut if it means other economies rose above the poverty line is absolutely fine in my opinion. If you think that is akin to starving the entire US population so my country can live like Sheikhs, I feel like that's on you.
- adventured 5y ago
  > If you think that is akin to starving the entire US population so my country can live like Sheikhs, I feel like that's on you. Talk about jumping 27 places in terms of drawing artificial conclusions. I got to see, up close, what deindustrialization looks like, during the 1980s and 1990s in the US. Its consequences are intensely negative on the population it affects. Allowing the US tech industry to be outsourced to save big corporations money, would be an identical repeat of the stupidity of what the US intentionally allowed to happen to its industrial empire - in the name of globalist corporations boosting their margins - in the second half of the 20th century. If you want to see what a selfish industrial policy looks like, look no further than Germany. They protected their industry, they acted in their own national self-interest, and their people have benefited enormously from it over the last few decades.
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  - approxim8ion 5y ago
    >I got to see, up close, what deindustrialization looks like, during the 1980s and 1990s in the US. I don't have the same experience so I can't argue it. > Allowing the US tech industry to be outsourced would be an identical repeat of the stupidity of what the US intentionally allowed to happen to its industrial empire And yet it seems to me that you're doing rather well as an economy all these years later. Wasn't the capitalist argument that the size of the pie is not fixed or some such?
    - loopz 5y ago

kuahyeow 5y ago

Also, OP, the world is bigger than just the American continent :)

fuckblaine 5y ago

yes - thats why i'm hopeful for a decent paying (by my standards) job with a US company Bring it on!!