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I can't see a real alternative to this (well at least knowing that S.F. is a liberal city, for conservative one, alternative is obvious). If they are given apar

I can't see a real alternative to this (well at least knowing that S.F. is a liberal city, for conservative one, alternative is obvious). If they are given apartments instead, they will trash them. These people are bums after all.

m0llusk 5y ago
There are a range of programs that grant apartments, many of them linked to work obligations. Some of them do get trashed while others are appreciated. The homeless are a complex and diverse group including many with serious problems and others who simply slid into destitution. The current crop of homeless are remarkably old and sick relative to what has been seen in the past.
- anovikov 5y ago
  They came to right understanding that reduction of city income from property tax due to reduction of value of property if you move in ~1000 bums into city apartments, will be more than $15M a year...
wussboy 5y ago
What is the obvious conservative alternative?
- Cerium 5y ago
  Giving them one way bus tickets to a liberal city.
  - fossislife 5y ago
    This reminds me of the South Park episode "Night of the Living Homeless".
  - anovikov 5y ago
    Exactly! But real long-term solution is of course, make it a felony to not have a provable permanent address. Bums' perception of life varies, but main reason people become bums is that they love freedom too much - they don't want or due to mental health reasons, can't follow any kind of rules at all - being a bum, your life sucks but you are the most free a person could be. Prison scares them, because in the prison, they'll absolutely make one follow a lot of rules. Once it is really punishable by prison, these people will make up their minds and stop bumming. This is how it works in Belarus, and number of bums in prisons is absolutely negligible, and number of bums in the streets is zero.
    - sul_tasto 5y ago
      The cost per prison inmate has to be close to $60k per year in the US also.
      - luffapi 5y ago
        It’s way higher. This person has no idea what they’re talking about. “Bums” love freedom? Apparently this person has never interacted with a homeless person. Anyway, it’s $81k a year to imprison someone in CA. https://lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost https://lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost
        animal_spirits 5y ago
        California also has one of the highest concentrations of people in prison, it might be cheaper in other parts of the country.
      - anovikov 5y ago
        This must be tackled just as healthcare should be: supply side. It doesn't matter if prisons are public or private, there must be a lot of them for them to be cheap. Simplify regulations, build something like good old gulags, they are proven to work and dirt cheap.
    - Supermancho 5y ago
- jmpman 5y ago
  Randian? Leave them on the streets. Provide them no services, no food, no healthcare. At least not with tax money.
tiahura 5y ago
Don’t feed the pigeons.
- 71a54xd 5y ago
  We only feed them legalized heroin - it's good for the economy /s

m0llusk 5y ago

There are a range of programs that grant apartments, many of them linked to work obligations. Some of them do get trashed while others are appreciated. The homeless are a complex and diverse group including many with serious problems and others who simply slid into destitution. The current crop of homeless are remarkably old and sick relative to what has been seen in the past.

anovikov 5y ago
They came to right understanding that reduction of city income from property tax due to reduction of value of property if you move in ~1000 bums into city apartments, will be more than $15M a year...

wussboy 5y ago

What is the obvious conservative alternative?

Cerium 5y ago
Giving them one way bus tickets to a liberal city.
- fossislife 5y ago
  This reminds me of the South Park episode "Night of the Living Homeless".
- anovikov 5y ago
  Exactly! But real long-term solution is of course, make it a felony to not have a provable permanent address. Bums' perception of life varies, but main reason people become bums is that they love freedom too much - they don't want or due to mental health reasons, can't follow any kind of rules at all - being a bum, your life sucks but you are the most free a person could be. Prison scares them, because in the prison, they'll absolutely make one follow a lot of rules. Once it is really punishable by prison, these people will make up their minds and stop bumming. This is how it works in Belarus, and number of bums in prisons is absolutely negligible, and number of bums in the streets is zero.
  - sul_tasto 5y ago
    The cost per prison inmate has to be close to $60k per year in the US also.
    - luffapi 5y ago
      It’s way higher. This person has no idea what they’re talking about. “Bums” love freedom? Apparently this person has never interacted with a homeless person. Anyway, it’s $81k a year to imprison someone in CA. https://lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost https://lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost
      - animal_spirits 5y ago
        California also has one of the highest concentrations of people in prison, it might be cheaper in other parts of the country.
    - anovikov 5y ago
      This must be tackled just as healthcare should be: supply side. It doesn't matter if prisons are public or private, there must be a lot of them for them to be cheap. Simplify regulations, build something like good old gulags, they are proven to work and dirt cheap.
  - Supermancho 5y ago
jmpman 5y ago
Randian? Leave them on the streets. Provide them no services, no food, no healthcare. At least not with tax money.

tiahura 5y ago

Don’t feed the pigeons.

71a54xd 5y ago
We only feed them legalized heroin - it's good for the economy /s