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>* A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requir

>* A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

emteycz 5y ago
I expect the enterprise version to not have this requirement. Massive enterprises would refuse to upgrade if it did.
- satysin 5y ago
  Correct, this is a limitation in the Home Edition only according to the system requirements.
kleiba 5y ago
I'm not a Windows person but recently had to go through the setup process on my parents' newly purchased desktop machine. As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number (I don't own a phone), I had to do some digging--- all just to create a local user account on Windows 10.
- vsareto 5y ago
  Can you make a Microsoft account at the time of install? I think I’m just going to make a junk account instead of linking it to any real account I use
  - kleiba 5y ago
    That's what I did, but I first had to find a free email provider that doesn't asks for a valid phone number.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  >As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. It's usually an option that's hidden away. It's definitely there if you disconnect the computer from the network when you install the OS. Also, if you want the old type display drivers instead of DCH you'd have to do that. Otherwise Windows will automatically download and install DCH drivers which are a pain to uninstall. Edit: if you're wondering what the problem with DCH drivers can be, then the problem is that they can't come with an application. If you have Nvidia display drivers installed as DCH and want to use the Nvidia Control Panel then you have to get the Control Panel from the Microsoft Store separately.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    The whole point of DCH iirc was to decouple the rendering and display engine driver from the User/Control/Config interface. This would basically allow Dell/Hp/Surface to use the same latest Intel/Nvidia/AMD drivers but have their differentiation and config apps updated on their own schedule while the OS takes care of the actual driver components. so that's a feature not a bug.
    - Aerroon 5y ago
      Yes, and in practice it's a pain that forces/highly encourages you to use the Microsoft Store.
      - zeusk 5y ago
        Well the initial version of Store (it didn't really improve in iterations of 10) was horrible UX and dodgy state changes. It's essentially just a webpage and a very bad one at that. The new store that I've been using in internal builds is far more responsive. I believe they will require a Microsoft ID to access it, but other than that I have no complaints about the new version.
        benbristow 5y ago
        I thought the current store was a native UWP app? Am I wrong?
- mvolfik 5y ago
  iirc it is possible, but I recall you needed to click unobvious buttons or just do it while offline and connect only after that
  - handrous 5y ago
    It used to be a sneaky button, but last time I installed there was no way to do it without disconnecting from the Internet. If you're connected, you are not presented an option to create a local account, even in a way that's hard to find.
    - Ndymium 5y ago
      Last time I did it, the trick was to begin logging in or creating a new online account (forget which way), and from there you could actually change your mind and create a local account.
    - dsissitka 5y ago
      It looks like they removed it from Home but not Pro. https://i.imgur.com/vxs03rC.png https://i.imgur.com/vxs03rC.png Another difference: Cortana talks you through the installation on Home but not Pro. After years of installing Pro that was a bit of a shock.
- satya71 5y ago
  It's possible, but only if you don't connect to the internet. See https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-windows-10-with-a-local-account https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-windows-10-with-a...
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
    Yes which is why you don't connect to wifi right away. But I've installed Windows without an internet connection many times.
- satysin 5y ago
  On a recent (i.e. the last 2 or 3 major releases) Windows 10 install (any edition) you can create a local account during the post-install setup assistant by selecting to make an offline account and then selecting "limited experience" when it tries to convince you an online account is better. You can see this in steps 8 and 9 at https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-10-local-account https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-10-local-acco...
  - ziml77 5y ago
    I just did an install of Windows 10 this morning and can confirm that the option is still there in 21H1.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      It is available on Pro but not Home unless you disable all Internet access while doing the install. On Windows 11 it seems like they are saying you won't be able to install Home without an active Internet connection.
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible" I do it all the time. Do not plug network cable and do not connect to WiFi. Windows then proceeds to setting up local account
  - mdiesel 5y ago
    If you do accidentally connect to a network, before you realise this, there's no way to get it to forget. Rebooting doesn't work. The only solution I found was walking 30m away to the other side of the parking lot out of range of WiFi.
    - dolmen 5y ago
      Disable WiFi in the BIOS.
      - IshKebab 5y ago
        Insane that you have to resort to that.
        garethrowlands 5y ago
        You don't have to resort to that.
    - torgoguys 5y ago
      Start the install over from scratch. You can have wifi enabled when installing. Just don't plug in a network cable and don't connect to a wifi network when it prompts you to. Read carefully, you can avoid connecting and if you do you don't connect, you don't have to use a Microsoft account.
      - naikrovek 5y ago
        Shift+F10 is your friend at installation time.
    - deleted 5y ago
- rypskar 5y ago
  >>Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number Didn't windows suggest to create a free email @outlook.com (or whatever MS have for free emails)? I have used that on a couple of computers, was no requirement for phone number and I have no idea about what the addresses I created are
- squarefoot 5y ago
  You can set up an offline account but you have to literally disable any Internet connection (pull the Ethernet cable, turn off the WiFi card, etc) so that it activates the option to tell the installer you want to install offline.
- Beldin 5y ago
  Similar experience here. Upon first boot, (i.e. during setup of windows) MS insists upon a microsoft account. Typically, you're not in a position to google around for how to not have that. After all, you're in an OS setup screen, without a browser.
- sixothree 5y ago
  Creating a local use account in Windows 11 is _much_ easier than in Windows 10 (at least based on the leaked version I have seen).
thesuperbigfrog 5y ago
There is a workaround for now: just press Alt-F4 See https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-internet-to-complete-setup-but-there039s-a-workaround/ https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-interne...
- huhtenberg 5y ago
  Probably intentional. They'll remove this in Windows 12.
  - dmt0 5y ago
    Microsoft is continuing their long tradition of screwing up every other version of Windows. 98SE - ok, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - bad, 10 - good, 11 - can safely skip it and wait for 12
    - FridayoLeary 5y ago
      It's not just me then;) Windows vista seems to be crying out for a Windows 7, XP is ok and Windows 8... I've never even used Windows 8, it's the most anonymous Windows imaginable.
    - MereInterest 5y ago
      I thought Windows 9 was the good one that would have come between Windows 8 and 10. Because 10 certainly isn't a good one (looking at you, fantastically broken start menu search that needs frequent re-indexing).
      - k12sosse 5y ago
        Version parity with competitors. It's stupid but a thing. At least they didn't straight up call it Windows X.
        wtallis 5y ago
        It was less about version parity with Apple and more about avoiding bugs in applications that would have mistaken a Windows 9 for a member of the 95/98/98SE family.
bick_nyers 5y ago
Smells like you are forced to login with a Microsoft account and can't do a local account
- ziml77 5y ago
  You can use a local account as has been demonstrated by many people on YouTube when installing the leaked build.
- sixothree 5y ago
  As I mentioned elsewhere. You can do it _and_ it is easier than in Windows 10.
aksss 5y ago
Who uses home edition anyway? Your parents? It's not suitable for anyone that may want to lift the hood.
- XzAeRosho 5y ago
  They mostly come bundled with laptops, which your parents and most users will buy without even caring about it.
  - k12sosse 5y ago
    Exactly, and if you do care, you can upgrade to pro without a wipe within the OS.
ryan29 5y ago
I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's stupid. My personal account should be considered untrusted. Having it acting like the root account is just dumb, right?
- k12sosse 5y ago
  Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.
  - Silhouette 5y ago
    Windows Professional used to be for professionals. I think there is a strong argument that since Windows 10 it hasn't been, at least not for technically competent professionals. In 10, the Pro edition still has much the same user-hostile aspects as Home, which are inappropriate in a business context. If Windows 10 Pro had the same kinds of control over things like updates and telemetry as the Enterprise and Education editions, but without the volume licensing and large-scale management features that larger organisations want, it would still be suitable for small businesses or independent professionals.
    - rektide 5y ago
      since windows me it's been clear there's a product designed to be utterly unpalatable, a product whose purpose is to produce upsells by behaving rudely.
      - squarefoot 5y ago
        I always thought that Windows ME was designed to make users rush to XP, and Windows Vista to drive them to 7.
agentdrtran 5y ago
Yes, it's probably called Windows 11 Pro
pkulak 5y ago
5.12.12 was released on the 18th.
parsimo2010 5y ago
There will certainly be a version available for offline installations. It won't be marketed toward consumers because offline access is now a "pro" feature they can charge extra for. It will be given to deep pocketed organizations that say "we use air gapped computers and have money to burn."
noobermin 5y ago
All the anti-linux comments from people who tried it 15 years ago talking about how windows "just works" not looking so justified now. Thankful I use linux today. While linux has issues this in particular is one thing I don't have to worry about.
- deleted 5y ago
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- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Don't know why you are downvoted. It is a bit charged, but very correct. It was predicted quite some time ago and Microsoft isn't really user orientated. I probably drop Windows after 10, I use it less and less. Certainly will I not develop against their frameworks.
- mmplxx 5y ago
  Not really, hidpi, multidpi, fractional scaling are the new Linux "sound cards", in the sense that buying modern screens and expecting them to work under Linux is an act of gambling. For example, for fractional scaling you probably end up using (broken for many drivers) raster scaling in xrandr, which is resource intensive and (being a raster operation on top of font rendering!) poor quality. But, hey, there is Wayland, you say. Well, Wayland does the same, maybe with slightly better performance because of some technical nuances, but still essentially the same, since it doesn't support fractional scales: just render everything to the next higher integer scale, then downscale using a brutal raster operation. This is the standard we have been waiting for a decade now and it's not only that its adoption and its support for important features are still far from what's required, it's also that it has design shortcomings that it's probably too late to change now. At least at fractional scales, I suspect that Qt, browsers and other rendering engines that already supported it (GTK being the conspicuous absence here) won't see any improvement but a loss of font rendering quality in the future. Now look at most of the current offer of budget laptops: FHD 13-14'' screens, good enough for most people, poorly supported in Linux even if Wayland was now shinning at its brightest, which is far from real. Not to talk about the poor fellow that wants to plug his cheap external FHD screen or, worse, that shiny new UHD screen that costed her hard earned money. The mishmash of scales a typical modern setup like this requires is too much for Linux and will be for the foreseeable future. I'd like Linux fans to be more responsible with their advice since Linux desktop is actually an expensive hobby for people with time, money and technical savvy.

>* A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

emteycz 5y ago

I expect the enterprise version to not have this requirement. Massive enterprises would refuse to upgrade if it did.

satysin 5y ago
Correct, this is a limitation in the Home Edition only according to the system requirements.

kleiba 5y ago

I'm not a Windows person but recently had to go through the setup process on my parents' newly purchased desktop machine. As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number (I don't own a phone), I had to do some digging--- all just to create a local user account on Windows 10.

vsareto 5y ago
Can you make a Microsoft account at the time of install? I think I’m just going to make a junk account instead of linking it to any real account I use
- kleiba 5y ago
  That's what I did, but I first had to find a free email provider that doesn't asks for a valid phone number.
Aerroon 5y ago
>As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. It's usually an option that's hidden away. It's definitely there if you disconnect the computer from the network when you install the OS. Also, if you want the old type display drivers instead of DCH you'd have to do that. Otherwise Windows will automatically download and install DCH drivers which are a pain to uninstall. Edit: if you're wondering what the problem with DCH drivers can be, then the problem is that they can't come with an application. If you have Nvidia display drivers installed as DCH and want to use the Nvidia Control Panel then you have to get the Control Panel from the Microsoft Store separately.
- zeusk 5y ago
  The whole point of DCH iirc was to decouple the rendering and display engine driver from the User/Control/Config interface. This would basically allow Dell/Hp/Surface to use the same latest Intel/Nvidia/AMD drivers but have their differentiation and config apps updated on their own schedule while the OS takes care of the actual driver components. so that's a feature not a bug.
  - Aerroon 5y ago
    Yes, and in practice it's a pain that forces/highly encourages you to use the Microsoft Store.
    - zeusk 5y ago
      Well the initial version of Store (it didn't really improve in iterations of 10) was horrible UX and dodgy state changes. It's essentially just a webpage and a very bad one at that. The new store that I've been using in internal builds is far more responsive. I believe they will require a Microsoft ID to access it, but other than that I have no complaints about the new version.
      - benbristow 5y ago
        I thought the current store was a native UWP app? Am I wrong?
mvolfik 5y ago
iirc it is possible, but I recall you needed to click unobvious buttons or just do it while offline and connect only after that
- handrous 5y ago
  It used to be a sneaky button, but last time I installed there was no way to do it without disconnecting from the Internet. If you're connected, you are not presented an option to create a local account, even in a way that's hard to find.
  - Ndymium 5y ago
    Last time I did it, the trick was to begin logging in or creating a new online account (forget which way), and from there you could actually change your mind and create a local account.
  - dsissitka 5y ago
    It looks like they removed it from Home but not Pro. https://i.imgur.com/vxs03rC.png https://i.imgur.com/vxs03rC.png Another difference: Cortana talks you through the installation on Home but not Pro. After years of installing Pro that was a bit of a shock.
satya71 5y ago
It's possible, but only if you don't connect to the internet. See https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-windows-10-with-a-local-account https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-windows-10-with-a...
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
  Yes which is why you don't connect to wifi right away. But I've installed Windows without an internet connection many times.
satysin 5y ago
On a recent (i.e. the last 2 or 3 major releases) Windows 10 install (any edition) you can create a local account during the post-install setup assistant by selecting to make an offline account and then selecting "limited experience" when it tries to convince you an online account is better. You can see this in steps 8 and 9 at https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-10-local-account https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-10-local-acco...
- ziml77 5y ago
  I just did an install of Windows 10 this morning and can confirm that the option is still there in 21H1.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    It is available on Pro but not Home unless you disable all Internet access while doing the install. On Windows 11 it seems like they are saying you won't be able to install Home without an active Internet connection.
FpUser 5y ago
>"As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible" I do it all the time. Do not plug network cable and do not connect to WiFi. Windows then proceeds to setting up local account
- mdiesel 5y ago
  If you do accidentally connect to a network, before you realise this, there's no way to get it to forget. Rebooting doesn't work. The only solution I found was walking 30m away to the other side of the parking lot out of range of WiFi.
  - dolmen 5y ago
    Disable WiFi in the BIOS.
    - IshKebab 5y ago
      Insane that you have to resort to that.
      - garethrowlands 5y ago
        You don't have to resort to that.
  - torgoguys 5y ago
    Start the install over from scratch. You can have wifi enabled when installing. Just don't plug in a network cable and don't connect to a wifi network when it prompts you to. Read carefully, you can avoid connecting and if you do you don't connect, you don't have to use a Microsoft account.
    - naikrovek 5y ago
      Shift+F10 is your friend at installation time.
  - deleted 5y ago
rypskar 5y ago
>>Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number Didn't windows suggest to create a free email @outlook.com (or whatever MS have for free emails)? I have used that on a couple of computers, was no requirement for phone number and I have no idea about what the addresses I created are
squarefoot 5y ago
You can set up an offline account but you have to literally disable any Internet connection (pull the Ethernet cable, turn off the WiFi card, etc) so that it activates the option to tell the installer you want to install offline.
Beldin 5y ago
Similar experience here. Upon first boot, (i.e. during setup of windows) MS insists upon a microsoft account. Typically, you're not in a position to google around for how to not have that. After all, you're in an OS setup screen, without a browser.
sixothree 5y ago
Creating a local use account in Windows 11 is _much_ easier than in Windows 10 (at least based on the leaked version I have seen).

thesuperbigfrog 5y ago

There is a workaround for now: just press Alt-F4 See https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-internet-to-complete-setup-but-there039s-a-workaround/ https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-home-requires-interne...

huhtenberg 5y ago
Probably intentional. They'll remove this in Windows 12.
- dmt0 5y ago
  Microsoft is continuing their long tradition of screwing up every other version of Windows. 98SE - ok, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - bad, 10 - good, 11 - can safely skip it and wait for 12
  - FridayoLeary 5y ago
    It's not just me then;) Windows vista seems to be crying out for a Windows 7, XP is ok and Windows 8... I've never even used Windows 8, it's the most anonymous Windows imaginable.
  - MereInterest 5y ago
    I thought Windows 9 was the good one that would have come between Windows 8 and 10. Because 10 certainly isn't a good one (looking at you, fantastically broken start menu search that needs frequent re-indexing).
    - k12sosse 5y ago
      Version parity with competitors. It's stupid but a thing. At least they didn't straight up call it Windows X.
      - wtallis 5y ago
        It was less about version parity with Apple and more about avoiding bugs in applications that would have mistaken a Windows 9 for a member of the 95/98/98SE family.

bick_nyers 5y ago

Smells like you are forced to login with a Microsoft account and can't do a local account

ziml77 5y ago
You can use a local account as has been demonstrated by many people on YouTube when installing the leaked build.
sixothree 5y ago
As I mentioned elsewhere. You can do it _and_ it is easier than in Windows 10.

aksss 5y ago

Who uses home edition anyway? Your parents? It's not suitable for anyone that may want to lift the hood.

XzAeRosho 5y ago
They mostly come bundled with laptops, which your parents and most users will buy without even caring about it.
- k12sosse 5y ago
  Exactly, and if you do care, you can upgrade to pro without a wipe within the OS.

ryan29 5y ago

I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's stupid. My personal account should be considered untrusted. Having it acting like the root account is just dumb, right?

k12sosse 5y ago
Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.
- Silhouette 5y ago
  Windows Professional used to be for professionals. I think there is a strong argument that since Windows 10 it hasn't been, at least not for technically competent professionals. In 10, the Pro edition still has much the same user-hostile aspects as Home, which are inappropriate in a business context. If Windows 10 Pro had the same kinds of control over things like updates and telemetry as the Enterprise and Education editions, but without the volume licensing and large-scale management features that larger organisations want, it would still be suitable for small businesses or independent professionals.
  - rektide 5y ago
    since windows me it's been clear there's a product designed to be utterly unpalatable, a product whose purpose is to produce upsells by behaving rudely.
    - squarefoot 5y ago
      I always thought that Windows ME was designed to make users rush to XP, and Windows Vista to drive them to 7.

agentdrtran 5y ago

Yes, it's probably called Windows 11 Pro

pkulak 5y ago

5.12.12 was released on the 18th.

parsimo2010 5y ago

There will certainly be a version available for offline installations. It won't be marketed toward consumers because offline access is now a "pro" feature they can charge extra for. It will be given to deep pocketed organizations that say "we use air gapped computers and have money to burn."

noobermin 5y ago

All the anti-linux comments from people who tried it 15 years ago talking about how windows "just works" not looking so justified now. Thankful I use linux today. While linux has issues this in particular is one thing I don't have to worry about.

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raxxorrax 5y ago
Don't know why you are downvoted. It is a bit charged, but very correct. It was predicted quite some time ago and Microsoft isn't really user orientated. I probably drop Windows after 10, I use it less and less. Certainly will I not develop against their frameworks.
mmplxx 5y ago
Not really, hidpi, multidpi, fractional scaling are the new Linux "sound cards", in the sense that buying modern screens and expecting them to work under Linux is an act of gambling. For example, for fractional scaling you probably end up using (broken for many drivers) raster scaling in xrandr, which is resource intensive and (being a raster operation on top of font rendering!) poor quality. But, hey, there is Wayland, you say. Well, Wayland does the same, maybe with slightly better performance because of some technical nuances, but still essentially the same, since it doesn't support fractional scales: just render everything to the next higher integer scale, then downscale using a brutal raster operation. This is the standard we have been waiting for a decade now and it's not only that its adoption and its support for important features are still far from what's required, it's also that it has design shortcomings that it's probably too late to change now. At least at fractional scales, I suspect that Qt, browsers and other rendering engines that already supported it (GTK being the conspicuous absence here) won't see any improvement but a loss of font rendering quality in the future. Now look at most of the current offer of budget laptops: FHD 13-14'' screens, good enough for most people, poorly supported in Linux even if Wayland was now shinning at its brightest, which is far from real. Not to talk about the poor fellow that wants to plug his cheap external FHD screen or, worse, that shiny new UHD screen that costed her hard earned money. The mishmash of scales a typical modern setup like this requires is too much for Linux and will be for the foreseeable future. I'd like Linux fans to be more responsible with their advice since Linux desktop is actually an expensive hobby for people with time, money and technical savvy.