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Perhaps you can name some people who fell victim to "cancel culture" who weren't utterly despicable people. Cancel culture is an utterance that seems to lack a

Perhaps you can name some people who fell victim to "cancel culture" who weren't utterly despicable people. Cancel culture is an utterance that seems to lack a singular clear definition. When someone tells others to vote with their wallets against something that is contrary to their own interests if a conservative is effected by people's free choice not to associate with him we are told its "cancel culture" likewise when someone hires someone nearly entirely for their image then no longer desires to be associated with their former hire's flagging popularity which is flagging precisely because of their own bad behavior.

XorNot 5y ago
Also the idea that "cancel culture" is even a left-wing thing is laughable. There is not a week that goes by that a conservative group of some stripe is not calling for the boycott of something or someone. There hasn't been a year that has gone by that this is not the case - anyone who grew up in the 90s would remember that this was generically video games in response to every social issue, then specific developers, before that it was comic books. For some reason in the 80s it was the imagined cabal's of Satan worshipers and the very real lives which were ruined by it in an actual way (they went to jail).
- lazyasciiart 5y ago
  Anyone remember Milo Yiannapolous?
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    Milo in 2018 "I can't wait for vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight" 2 days later when 5 are killed at the Capitol Gazette "jk" Then there was the article he wrote ""Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy" where he argued that the pill made women fat crazy and promiscuous and then declared his birthday "World Patriarchy Day" Then the time he said that being gay was "a lifestyle choice guaranteed to bring pain and unhappiness." Just reroll as hetrosexual folks! Then there was the time he said it was OK for sexually mature 13 year olds to have sex with adults then claimed being the victim of sexual abuse made him say it. He also said abuse victims were "whinging selfish brats" for "suddenly" remembering they were abused, and "suddenly" deciding it was a problem, 20 years after the abuse occurred. How about the fact that he used his tenure at Breitbart to court white supremacists and promote their views. He was canceled in fact by none other than Breitbart not for this of course but for the pedophile comments which was apparently a bridge too far. Is this an example "cancel culture" gone too far?
    - lazyasciiart 5y ago
      I was mostly just referencing him being famously cancelled by the right....
    - chevill 5y ago
      >where he argued that the pill made women fat crazy and promiscuous I'm not aware of psychological side effects, but weight gain while taking the most common form of birth control pills is expected and normal. At least that's what the doctor told my wife and I. Milo was basically a professional troll though. His banning was inevitable.
      - michaelmrose 5y ago
        He's not merely a professional troll he's a dishonest, hostile, malicious person who has made the world a worse place by being born into it.
        raxxorrax 5y ago
        Well, he obviously knew where to poke. I think his banning was an overreaction. People could have opted no to listen to him. But he knew what sentiment was moving people, therefore he had quite a following.
        daddylongstroke 5y ago
        No offense intended, but people like you fed the troll. He obviously didn't believe a damn thing he wrote. You made him everything he became. Also, I would argue that every single person born into this world has made it a worse place. Where man stands, he leaves damage.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Historically that is undoubtedly correct. Doesn't mean you should repeat that mistake for your own party.
fighterpilot 5y ago
J.K. Rowling. She seems to have survived the cancel mob, but not for lack of trying on their part. You could imagine how someone with less clout than her wouldn't have fared as well.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  In a long winded fashion what she said could reasonably be interpreted as trans women aren't women. While she doesn't support discrimination against people on the basis of being trans she is promoting the same thought process that is pervasively used by individuals justifying discriminating against trans people. Imagine if someone said its totally wrong to put Jewish people in camps, after all they deserve the same rights as you and I, but maybe they really did cause us to lose WWI... There are people who really are just mistaken and then there are others who are weaponizing this strategy to minimize their obvious racism. I think she is merely incorrect not malicious but the reaction is easy to understand and it absolutely has to do with the size of her megaphone not just what she said. Someone who wasn't the world famous author of Harry Potter just wouldn't have got the same reaction in the first place. JK rowling has a billion dollars and a bright future despite the reaction to her views. Can you give me an example of some people who have actually and in fact been canceled? Protecting billionaires from people saying mean things about them on twitter doesn't seem like a worthy cause.
  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    "In a long winded fashion what she said could reasonably be interpreted as trans women aren't women." Wasn't she saying that trans women have a possible biological advantage over non-trans women in performance sports such as weightlifting? Isn't that a fair question to be asking and within the realm of scientific plausibility? The frenzied cancel mob attacking her on Twitter was frankly insane. The fact that you need to be a billionaire to survive that and speak (or earnestly question) the truth is not good.
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      This is not even close to all she said on the topic. I think the biggest issue is her She support of an unapologetic bigot Maya Forstater but that is neither the beginning nor the end of her commentary on the topic and she ended up with her foot firmly planted in her own mouth. She not trans activists is the cause of her own discontent. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/j-k-rowling-s-maya-forstater-tweets-support-hostile-work-ncna1105201 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/j-k-rowling-s-maya-for...
hindsightbias 5y ago
Dixie Chicks
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  They wont call it cancel culture because they were "canceled" by conservatives. Although they experienced substantial fall out for not supporting the Iraq War a move that now looks prescient they ultimately recovered. They did a world tour in 2016 that sold out stadiums then did the Country Music Awards. In 2019 they released a new album and reportedly sold 33 million albums.
a1369209993 5y ago
> Perhaps you can name some people who fell victim to "cancel culture" who weren't utterly despicable people. Off the top of my head: Scott Aaronson, Scott Alexander, Richard Stallman, Eric S Raymond. I could list more if I could be bothered to research it.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Thank you those are some reasonable examples. So in your opinion how do we separate the notion of pulling down legitimate bad apple's and trying to punish thought crime.

XorNot 5y ago

Also the idea that "cancel culture" is even a left-wing thing is laughable. There is not a week that goes by that a conservative group of some stripe is not calling for the boycott of something or someone. There hasn't been a year that has gone by that this is not the case - anyone who grew up in the 90s would remember that this was generically video games in response to every social issue, then specific developers, before that it was comic books. For some reason in the 80s it was the imagined cabal's of Satan worshipers and the very real lives which were ruined by it in an actual way (they went to jail).

lazyasciiart 5y ago
Anyone remember Milo Yiannapolous?
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Milo in 2018 "I can't wait for vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight" 2 days later when 5 are killed at the Capitol Gazette "jk" Then there was the article he wrote ""Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy" where he argued that the pill made women fat crazy and promiscuous and then declared his birthday "World Patriarchy Day" Then the time he said that being gay was "a lifestyle choice guaranteed to bring pain and unhappiness." Just reroll as hetrosexual folks! Then there was the time he said it was OK for sexually mature 13 year olds to have sex with adults then claimed being the victim of sexual abuse made him say it. He also said abuse victims were "whinging selfish brats" for "suddenly" remembering they were abused, and "suddenly" deciding it was a problem, 20 years after the abuse occurred. How about the fact that he used his tenure at Breitbart to court white supremacists and promote their views. He was canceled in fact by none other than Breitbart not for this of course but for the pedophile comments which was apparently a bridge too far. Is this an example "cancel culture" gone too far?
  - lazyasciiart 5y ago
    I was mostly just referencing him being famously cancelled by the right....
  - chevill 5y ago
    >where he argued that the pill made women fat crazy and promiscuous I'm not aware of psychological side effects, but weight gain while taking the most common form of birth control pills is expected and normal. At least that's what the doctor told my wife and I. Milo was basically a professional troll though. His banning was inevitable.
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      He's not merely a professional troll he's a dishonest, hostile, malicious person who has made the world a worse place by being born into it.
      - raxxorrax 5y ago
        Well, he obviously knew where to poke. I think his banning was an overreaction. People could have opted no to listen to him. But he knew what sentiment was moving people, therefore he had quite a following.
      - daddylongstroke 5y ago
        No offense intended, but people like you fed the troll. He obviously didn't believe a damn thing he wrote. You made him everything he became. Also, I would argue that every single person born into this world has made it a worse place. Where man stands, he leaves damage.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Historically that is undoubtedly correct. Doesn't mean you should repeat that mistake for your own party.

fighterpilot 5y ago

J.K. Rowling. She seems to have survived the cancel mob, but not for lack of trying on their part. You could imagine how someone with less clout than her wouldn't have fared as well.

michaelmrose 5y ago
In a long winded fashion what she said could reasonably be interpreted as trans women aren't women. While she doesn't support discrimination against people on the basis of being trans she is promoting the same thought process that is pervasively used by individuals justifying discriminating against trans people. Imagine if someone said its totally wrong to put Jewish people in camps, after all they deserve the same rights as you and I, but maybe they really did cause us to lose WWI... There are people who really are just mistaken and then there are others who are weaponizing this strategy to minimize their obvious racism. I think she is merely incorrect not malicious but the reaction is easy to understand and it absolutely has to do with the size of her megaphone not just what she said. Someone who wasn't the world famous author of Harry Potter just wouldn't have got the same reaction in the first place. JK rowling has a billion dollars and a bright future despite the reaction to her views. Can you give me an example of some people who have actually and in fact been canceled? Protecting billionaires from people saying mean things about them on twitter doesn't seem like a worthy cause.
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  "In a long winded fashion what she said could reasonably be interpreted as trans women aren't women." Wasn't she saying that trans women have a possible biological advantage over non-trans women in performance sports such as weightlifting? Isn't that a fair question to be asking and within the realm of scientific plausibility? The frenzied cancel mob attacking her on Twitter was frankly insane. The fact that you need to be a billionaire to survive that and speak (or earnestly question) the truth is not good.
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    This is not even close to all she said on the topic. I think the biggest issue is her She support of an unapologetic bigot Maya Forstater but that is neither the beginning nor the end of her commentary on the topic and she ended up with her foot firmly planted in her own mouth. She not trans activists is the cause of her own discontent. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/j-k-rowling-s-maya-forstater-tweets-support-hostile-work-ncna1105201 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/j-k-rowling-s-maya-for...

hindsightbias 5y ago

Dixie Chicks

michaelmrose 5y ago
They wont call it cancel culture because they were "canceled" by conservatives. Although they experienced substantial fall out for not supporting the Iraq War a move that now looks prescient they ultimately recovered. They did a world tour in 2016 that sold out stadiums then did the Country Music Awards. In 2019 they released a new album and reportedly sold 33 million albums.

a1369209993 5y ago

> Perhaps you can name some people who fell victim to "cancel culture" who weren't utterly despicable people. Off the top of my head: Scott Aaronson, Scott Alexander, Richard Stallman, Eric S Raymond. I could list more if I could be bothered to research it.

michaelmrose 5y ago
Thank you those are some reasonable examples. So in your opinion how do we separate the notion of pulling down legitimate bad apple's and trying to punish thought crime.