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It's a deliberate filter - if you fall for the grammar you're much more likely to fall for the full scam and keep complying even after you've been scammed alrea

It's a deliberate filter - if you fall for the grammar you're much more likely to fall for the full scam and keep complying even after you've been scammed already. Otherwise the scammers are wasting their time on people who have better infosec practices and are therefore low ROI targets.

ceejayoz 5y ago
This makes sense for scams, but not in the case of a hacked Ledger physical device that doesn't involve any human-to-human interaction. They just need you to plug it in and follow the steps; the skeptical don't waste their time like they would if you had to spend weeks/months winning trust over a messaging app as some 419 scams involve.
- albertgoeswoof 5y ago
  It's actually loading malware, and it asks the victim to go through a process by providing their recovery keys etc. It's not just about getting the BTC
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Right, and you're more likely to do that step if the letter is convincing. There's no "get wheedled one-on-one by someone on the phone into sending iTunes gift cards to pay an IRS debt" step here where filtering down to just gullible people makes sense.
gruez 5y ago
>Otherwise the scammers are wasting their time on people who have better infosec practices and are therefore low ROI targets. But in this case they already put a lot of effort into it? ie. they made the fake device, packaged it with shrinkwrap, and paid for shipping. The only thing left is for the victim to enter the seed, which requires zero effort on their part.
jonplackett 5y ago
I had never thought of it like that. I can believe this for emails but this seems like something that was deliberately quite polished aside from the wording
finnthehuman 5y ago
>It's a deliberate filter Every few weeks I'll try to go along with one of the scam phone calls I get. I haven't been able to act the right way to prevent the caller from hanging up after like 2 or 3 sentences.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  Pretend to be a million years old. Slow answers and easy confusion. I suspect some of the scambaiter youtubers are works of fiction. Most aren’t dumb enough to play along very long when they realize they’re being played.
- jonplackett 5y ago
  I do the same when they call up and say “have you been in a car accident that wasn’t your fault?” I’ve tried every posible reply I can think of in every intonation from fear to confusion to anger to genuinely glad they’ve called. They always just hang up.
imtringued 5y ago
There is a type of scam where "hackers" offer to get your money back from a previous scammer. The idea is that someone who fell for a scam is going to fall for another one.

ceejayoz 5y ago

This makes sense for scams, but not in the case of a hacked Ledger physical device that doesn't involve any human-to-human interaction. They just need you to plug it in and follow the steps; the skeptical don't waste their time like they would if you had to spend weeks/months winning trust over a messaging app as some 419 scams involve.

albertgoeswoof 5y ago
It's actually loading malware, and it asks the victim to go through a process by providing their recovery keys etc. It's not just about getting the BTC
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Right, and you're more likely to do that step if the letter is convincing. There's no "get wheedled one-on-one by someone on the phone into sending iTunes gift cards to pay an IRS debt" step here where filtering down to just gullible people makes sense.

gruez 5y ago

>Otherwise the scammers are wasting their time on people who have better infosec practices and are therefore low ROI targets. But in this case they already put a lot of effort into it? ie. they made the fake device, packaged it with shrinkwrap, and paid for shipping. The only thing left is for the victim to enter the seed, which requires zero effort on their part.

jonplackett 5y ago

I had never thought of it like that. I can believe this for emails but this seems like something that was deliberately quite polished aside from the wording

finnthehuman 5y ago

>It's a deliberate filter Every few weeks I'll try to go along with one of the scam phone calls I get. I haven't been able to act the right way to prevent the caller from hanging up after like 2 or 3 sentences.

Scoundreller 5y ago
Pretend to be a million years old. Slow answers and easy confusion. I suspect some of the scambaiter youtubers are works of fiction. Most aren’t dumb enough to play along very long when they realize they’re being played.
jonplackett 5y ago
I do the same when they call up and say “have you been in a car accident that wasn’t your fault?” I’ve tried every posible reply I can think of in every intonation from fear to confusion to anger to genuinely glad they’ve called. They always just hang up.

imtringued 5y ago

There is a type of scam where "hackers" offer to get your money back from a previous scammer. The idea is that someone who fell for a scam is going to fall for another one.